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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by kube-system »

nerdponx wrote: post #175
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #123

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A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

> Market has spoken right or wrong. I call BS on this. The non-pouch detergents disappeared, that much I know. I strongly doubt people had stopped buying gel and powder. I suspect that some bright bulb at Johnson & Johnson or wherever did the math and realized that pouch margins were higher than gel and powder margins.

> The non-pouch detergents disappeared

? I still see them everywhere. And a quick Amazon search for “cascade complete” lists gel as the first result and powder as the third.

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Post by TylerE »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #130
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #123

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A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.

Plenty of things that are “all natural” will kill you in the blink of an eye

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Post by 1MachineElf »

Here's an interesting video by Technology Connections on how most dishwasher "pods" are overkill: https://youtu.be/Ll6-eGDpimU

I see the bubbles foaming at the edges of my cups when I fill them with water, so I always rinse them before use. I would avoid most dishwasher detergent pods if I could, but I can't sell the idea to my significant other.

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Post by mikeiz404 »

EPA has an article talking about a specific type of ethoxylate (NPE) in the context of impacts to aquatic life which has some interesting info in it [1].

Does some one know if alcohol ethoxylates are a type of nonylphenol ethoxylates? Some brief searching implies these may be separate things.

From the article:

> Q2. How are NP/NPEs used?

> NPs/NPEs, which are produced in large volumes, are used for industrial processes and in consumer laundry detergents, personal hygiene, automotive, latex paints, and lawn care products.

> Q6. What are the potential risks to people?

> NP has been detected in human breast milk, blood, and urine and is associated with reproductive and developmental effects in rodents.

> Q7. Is there an easy way for consumers to avoid using products with NP/NPEs?

> Consumers can avoid products with NP/NPEs by looking for products with EPA’s Safer Choice Label on the shelves of major retailers. …

1: https://www.epa.gov/assessing-and-managing-chemicals-under-t...

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by julianz »

js2 wrote: post #149
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #36

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For everyone confused by this comment: In some countries you might find dishwashers with a sort of built-in water softener: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher_salt It's not common in the United States. Some all-in-one detergent packets might contain some amount of dishwasher salt, though.

Fisher & Paykel dish drawers have a salt-dispenser, at least my 2004 models do. They are (were?) designed in New Zealand but sold in the U.S. For a while they were sold rebranded by KitchenAid. My water isn't hard though so I haven't had to use any salt. (Aside, and I don't know if they are still any good, but these dish drawers are really well engineered. Mine had some problems early on that were resolved by small c…

They were bought out by Haier a few years ago, they still exist as a brand in NZ, not sure about elsewhere. Anecdotally not as good as they used to be.

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Post by stephen_g »

wiml wrote: post #218
stephen_g wrote: post #216

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The article references another article about SLS in toothpaste (unfortunately not accessible without paying) - https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00016357.2019.1... Just seeing that makes me want to switch toothpaste. There looks to be an 'Oral B Toothpaste Pure' that doesn't have SLS or colourants, might give that a go.

I stopped getting canker sores some years ago after changing toothpastes. Having read of SLS, I assumed that was the culprit — but no, I read the ingredients and my new "good" toothpaste also has SLS. So whatever the change was, that wasn't it. For all I know it wasn't even the toothpaste at all!

Interesting. Could have also been a concentration thing, if the newer one just had less of it. But yeah, could potentially have been something else completely!

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Post by sgerenser »

hedora wrote: post #208
balls187 wrote: post #185

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Good old di-hydrogen monoxide. A horribly toxic chemical.

It is the #1 cause of death in the US for ages 1-4, and #2 from 5-14. Also, if you drink it, you will certainly die. https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

Surely you mean if you inhale it?

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Post by Balgair »

1MachineElf wrote: post #223

Here's an interesting video by Technology Connections on how most dishwasher "pods" are overkill: https://youtu.be/Ll6-eGDpimU I see the bubbles foaming at the edges of my cups when I fill them with water, so I always rinse them before use. I would avoid most dishwasher detergent pods if I could, but I can't sell the idea to my significant other.

Seems my old Scout habits of always rinsing dishware out before use came in handy! It was typically for scorpions, spiders, or dust as a Scout, and the habit just stuck all these years. Looks like it may be helpful in other ways too.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

michael1999 wrote: post #200
nijave wrote: post #184

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The difference with "primed" hot water is pretty crazy for something that seems trivial. I've also found opening the door and jiggling the racks during the drying cycle also makes a pretty big difference (assuming you catch it at the right time--and use heated dry)

Some vinegar in the dispenser will fix the spots.

Or a half teaspoon of citric acid powder.
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