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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by deltree7 »

mattboardman wrote: post #82
deltree7 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a HNer will twist themselves in a logic knot claiming "I prefer to be bombarded with ads that aren't relevant to me"

This reply appears to be both a strawman (I never said anything about my preferences) and an ad hominem attack (Diminishing my comment bc of who I am).

There are three ways you can gets for goods and services in this world

i) Pay Money (HNers who claim, i'll-pay-for-no-ads-services are pathetic liars as seen from the adoption rate of YouTube premium which offers exactly that service).

ii) Pay through watching Ads

    a) Watch relevant but low volume targeted ads (allow tracking)

    or 

    b) Watch irrelevant but higher volume ads (no tracking -- pihole)
iii) Steal Content

Most HNers who complain have made their choices very vocal. They prefer (ii)b and yet they make sad pikachu face when they are bombarded with Ads.

When Ads aren't effective (not targeted), it's compensated by higher volume. It's, Economics/Math 101.

It is your bed that you have chosen

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Post by deltree7 »

soundnote wrote: post #200
deltree7 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a HNer will twist themselves in a logic knot claiming "I prefer to be bombarded with ads that aren't relevant to me"

I don't prefer to be bombarded with ads. But a lot of the bad in ads is tracking and being insanely intrusive visually, not that they exist in the first place.

see my other reply

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by heywoodlh »

I'm not a fan of ads at all. But I am curious, is there an alternative way to provide a free service while still making money?

Unrelated, it would be cool to be able to self host an actual search engine (not talking about privacy-focused front ends like Searx -- but I'm grateful for projects like it) without having to store petabytes of data. Is there a self-hostable search engine alternative that doesn't just use another backend search engine service like Bing?

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by _aavaa_ »

amelius wrote: post #187
squeaky-clean wrote: post #145

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> If I sat down with a troubled couple who was having a hard time communicating, I wouldn't periodically interrupt and say "let's pause a moment for an ad. I think that's going to really open up a better and more free exchange between the both of you." Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I mean obviously not, but only because a professional counselor can only see about 8 couples per day while…

> Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. Ads can only pay a couple of dollars at most. That's one of the problem with ads: they don't scale. You can only sell cheapish stuff using them; you can never increase your price above a certain point. It's very much a broken form of monetization in many ways.

I imagine that divorce attorney ads would go for quite the premium

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Post by s3p »

SebastianKra wrote: post #169
squeaky-clean wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If I sat down with a troubled couple who was having a hard time communicating, I wouldn't periodically interrupt and say "let's pause a moment for an ad. I think that's going to really open up a better and more free exchange between the both of you." Couples counseling isn't free, maybe with ads they could be. I mean obviously not, but only because a professional counselor can only see about 8 couples per day while…

I hate that ads are now seen as a necessary evil for funding free access to services. The money still comes from you, just through the purchase of products. What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that. I guess you could frame it like this: "Company are overcharging us by insane amounts anyways, so at least some of t…

>What's worse, if you pay for YouTube Premium or Kagi, you're effectively paying for your content twice. No wonder, poorer people can't afford that.

How is this true with YT premium? There are no ads if you pay.

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Post by s3p »

r00fus wrote: post #184
Archipelagia wrote: post #41

Not the biggest fan of Brave myself, but they seem to actually get extra points in my eyes for adding the paid option. It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. On a bigger note, monetizing search without ads seem to be a pretty tricky business model. Especially if you want to move beyond being a niche product; even an average HN reader would be hard to convince to pay for a regular…

> It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. In fact, that's the only reason I subscribe - not the content - because my entire family uses my account or is part of my Google "family" to bypass YT ads. Worth the (ever increasing) monthly fee. My guess is that this only exists to foil Netflix, and if Netflix didn't have an…

Well it's not $3, it's 12, so much more

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Post by encryptluks2 »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #185
r00fus wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like you can pay $3 to Google to get them to stop surveilling you. You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. In fact, that's the only reason I subscribe - not the content - because my entire family uses my account or is part of my Google "family" to bypass YT ads. Worth the (ever increasing) monthly fee. My guess is that this only exists to foil Netflix, and if Netflix didn't have an…

> You can, at least for Youtube - the premium offering is ad-free. ad-free =/= surveillance free.

Please offer some proof that Google does more surveillance than Brave.

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Post by encryptluks2 »

INeedMoreRam wrote: post #171
pretext wrote: post #86

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LibreWolf is just a Firefox with telemetry removed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but can't we just remove all Firefox telemetry by unchecking these options in Privacy & Security: 1) Allow Firefox to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla 2) Allow Firefox to make personalized extension recommendations 3) Allow Firefox to install and run studies 4) Allow Firefox to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf I understand they're selected by default so they're coll…

No, you have to use policies to completely disable telemetry.

Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by anonymous »

ericholscher wrote: post #83
musk_micropenis wrote: post #20

A lot of angry comments in here, but the post says there's an ad-free paid version, > Ads will give users the option to use our independent search engine with ads that don’t track them, or to sign up for ad-free paid search Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Or do you expect software companies to work for free? (Presumably not the companies you work for).

Glad to see other folks investing in ethical advertising. It's something we've been working on for a long time over at https://ethicalads.io/ -- and it's an important step forward in improving how ads are served. With the advances in ML, we're investing in content-based targeting, which we can do as a display network. But search ads have so much context built in, they don't need to track you. > A lot of angry comment…

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Re: Brave launches private search ads

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Post by encryptluks2 »

grammers wrote: post #137

I prefer paying for services, e.g. Tutanota, Anonaddy, Bitwarden, Guardian. Why do people take everything on the web for free? Of course, companies need to make money - if not with subs, then with ads. What else should they do?

They should put ethics before their Tesla's and summer beach houses.
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