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Theres also liquid or powder detergent, which allows you to use a fitting amount for the dishwasher load.
Liquids have enzymes or bleach. They might have oxiclean instead of bleach but apparently the two best cleaning agents don’t exist in liquid together very well. Powder is better. Pods are just powder.
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a new one (a few years old) and yes there's a compartment for salt. My previous one did as well. I'm in Europe (Spain) if that helps. I don't go to any special store to buy them, any old Lidl or other supermarket has it. Where you from where this isn't a thing?
From other comments it's looking like this one of those US/European divide things, with compartments for salt being uncommon on US dishwashers except for a few rare higher-end models/brands that are likely common to both continents (due to low volume in the US not justifying a localized version, I'd guess). I'm middle-aged and in the US and this thread is the first time I've heard of adding salt to a dishwasher.
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#133Rinse aid is completely unneeded if you properly maintain and use your dishwasher. I never use any, and my dishes are completely spotless. 30 years old dishwasher, super hard water. Specifically, you should: - always fill the salt of the dishwasher's water softener once it's empty. It cannot soften the water if it doesn't get cleaned by the salt. If the water is not softened you will get spots. EDIT: Apparently US fo…
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#134Ok, so what do I use as a rinse aid then? I just dug all over amazon and pretty much everything has akoxylated alcohol or some form of polyoxypropylene laureth. And yes, I've purposely let the rinse aid run out just to see what happens. It wasn't pretty... Anyway to make something more "natural"? Some other ingredients I've seen include citric acid, urea, trisodium phosphate. But not sure if just mixing those togethe…
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#135I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…
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#136maybe dont wash them that often
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yah, it seemed the same to me. I don't use rinse aid, never have, you don't actually need it, you can just let the dishes air dry for slightly longer. If you have hard water then soften it, rather than use a rinse aid.
It is talking about professional dishwashers like the ones used in restaurants. So if you dine out on a regular basis you're probably getting exposed to this stuff even if you don't use it at home. PS I have no chemical expertise, but the article singles out alcohol ethoxylates as the cause of this damage. And while I don't use rinse aid in my home dishwasher, my Cascade dishwasher pods list "Isotridecanol Ethoxylate…
It does not get rinsed off. The hope is that it drips off the dishes, but some will remain and then dry. Does this ingredient dry? I don't know.
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#139IANAD, but it worked for me.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anything that ends in “sulfate” on the ingredients label. Or anything that is labeled “detergent” or “rinse aid.”
How did you get "sulfate" out of "ethoxylate alcohol". You probably confused them with ethoxysulfates, which are a related but different class of chemicals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation
The harm done by EAS was previously established by these same researchers and referenced in the paper: "Our recent studies have demonstrated that exposure to anionic surfactants in laundry detergents impairs the epithelial barrier functions in human skin and bronchial epithelial cells even at very high dilutions."
"Anionic surfactants" AKA sulfates, sulfonates, phosphates.
The EA are nonionic, by comparison, but do the same damage to the gut or any other part of the epithelium.
https://www.ipcol.com/wp-content/uploads/SURFACTANT-TYPES.jp...