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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by dublinben »

z3phyr wrote: post #676

In the windows world I download the installer for whatever software I need, click next->next->next (or choose where I want my stuff in my filesystem, add it to the path, opt in or out of stuff) and it works out of the box. No stores. (Well there is one, but I guess no one uses that) In the linux world, I mostly look for package managers, or if not, its mostly just ./configure -> make -> make install (or choose my own…

Does software distribution on Windows really "work" for most people though? At best, you've given unlimited, unsandboxed access to everything on your computer to the author of whatever piece of software you've just installed. If you're unsophisticated or unlucky, you've also gotten some spyware or a virus along for a ride.

There's a reason why ransomware exists on desktop and server OSes, but not on iOS, and it's because of Apple's app store model.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by hparadiz »

GuB-42 wrote: post #566
TeMPOraL wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter anyway. Thanks to Google pushing remote attestation, all you can expect from a custom ROM is the actually important apps (like bank) no longer working.

I think you mean hardware attestation. And yes, it is the biggest problem I have. I can do without KNOX, but it is becoming harder to do without these locked down apps (ex: bank), and workarounds are harder to get by, no matter the manufacturer. And of course forget about anything that isn't iOS or Android. I don't expect banks to support alternative OSes anytime soon. I probably won't root my next phone, not worth t…

The only two apps that are affected by Knox is Samsung Pay and Samsung Health. And that is only an issue if you decide to flash the stock rom back on the device. If you use custom roms they typically have a workaround to get both of those apps working with the Knox fuse tripped.

The easiest daily driver to root is Sony and Google phones. You simply unlock the bootloader and flash. There's no nonsense to deal with.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by madeofpalk »

scarface74 wrote: post #723
madeofpalk wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until very recently, when courts forced Apple to allow it, Apple prevent developers from event mentioning that a website exists where there's a cheaper option to sign up. Apple has rules, and that's "fine". But they also have rules about the rules that disallow developers from explaining the rules to users. That doesn't sit right with me.

Spotify stopped allowing in app purchases years ago before any Court said anything.

Because, rightly or wrongly, they didn’t want to have 30% more expensive plan on iPhone.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by starik36 »

juve1996 wrote: post #783
wbkang wrote: post #256

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It's not a "clear alternative" when Apple doesn't even allow you to mention that. There are other reasonable alternatives such as letting developers mention the alternative payment methods as long as they explain what the benefits of Apple payment ecosystem. I read a lot of people writing comments like "I prefer to go through Apple because of the ease of unsubscription." If the benefits are so clear, why are develope…

Android is a very real and clear alternative. Android dominates market share. How you can say there isn't a clear alternative, I don't know.

Given the vendor lock-in and Apple's 50% market share, it's not much of an alternative.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by stale2002 »

bamboozled wrote: post #787
stale2002 wrote: post #716

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> so break one of the only stable, reliable, useful No, people would be free to use the Apple App store if they want. Apple simply wouldn't be able force the world to pay them 30% of everything anymore. Theyd have to compete on their merits, and people would now have full ownership of their own phone. > The trains suck and I hope my devices don't go the same way. So, what, you just support the railway monopoly and op…

> Imagine if every computer in the world, you could only use internet explorer, and they forced you to pay them 30%, and use IE. Absolutely nothing like this is happening though, so what's your point? I run Firefox on my iPhone, it's free? > But let's try a different example, since apparently you support the railway monopoly. I don't support the railway monopoly you're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that break…

> Absolutely nothing like this is happening though, so what's your point?

I am saying that the fact that this is illegal, because of the sherman anti-trust act, is a good thing. Anti-trust laws are not some crazy, extreme example of authoritarianism.

Therefore, because I hope you can agree that it is good that we use government force, to prevent this, you cannot act in fake shock outrage, at the idea of using uncontroversial, and obviously good laws, such as the sherman anti-trust act.

> I run Firefox on my iPhone, it's free?

Apple prevents you from using your own phone to pay for apps that do not give them the 30% fee.

So, because Apple, in an authoritarian way, does not let you use your own property in this way, without a 30% fee paid to them, this is similar to another example of Microsoft not allowing you to install anything at all on your home PC, without paying them a 30% fee.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by neurostimulant »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

You can still have those while opening up the device a bit more for enthusiasts. For example, Apple currently limit the number of sideloaded app to 3 apps total as well as 10 apps/week limit, and you'll have to re-sign the app after a week too. Relaxing that rule alone will greatly open up the device.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tablespoon »

GeekyBear wrote: post #752
sho_hn wrote: post #650

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A sibling argument is saying that if side-loading were opt in, major apps would move to require it from users. This has never happened on Android.

> This has never happened on Android. >When Fortnite launched on mobile in 2018, Epic Games very notably sidestepped the Google Play Store and pushed users to download the title directly from their website, an effort made to avoid the substantial revenue cuts that Google takes from in-app purchases of Play Store downloads. At the time, the move was understandable for Epic, which was sitting on the hottest free-to-pla…

>> A sibling argument is saying that if side-loading were opt in, major apps would move to require it from users.

>> This has never happened on Android.

> When Fortnite launched on mobile in 2018, Epic Games very notably sidestepped the Google Play Store and pushed users to download the title directly from their website...

Though that's the exception that proves the rule. Besides Fortnite, who else has pushed users into side-loading? It's not at all common, which weighs strongly against the scare-mongering that it would somehow cause their platform security to collapse if Apple allowed it.

It also seems like it would be the case if your app is big enough to get people to side-load it, it's probably also big enough to get some security/privacy of its own to keep its practices in check.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Razengan »

xdennis wrote: post #511
Razengan wrote: post #465

Pure and simple jealously about not being able to leech people using Apple devices. Nobody wants to remove the fences protecting sheep more than the wolves.

It's weird how you see being able to run any software as "leeching" as if owning an Apple device makes me belong to Apple.

Not talking about end users wanting to run "any software" (which you can if you really wanted to), but do you really think that the companies and devs who want to force Apple to "open up" are fighting for your sake?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by piva00 »

scarface74 wrote: post #762
piva00 wrote: post #745

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You can release your games for PCs and have enough market share to be sustainable. You can't just release your app on the web and have the exact same experience as a native application, there's no alternative with enough market share for mobile platforms. Do you really not see a difference between these worlds or are you being purposefully obtuse and ignoring reality to try to push your point? It's again an example f…

The PC game market is a nothingburger compared to console. So the same people who aren’t willing to walk away from ios with 50% market share are going to suggest walking away from all consoles which combined have a much larger than 50% market share in the games market? People have been complaining for years that Apple is holding the PWA market back. Where are all of the companies that are releasing iOS + web only and…

Would it be ok for you then if Apple took a 30% cut of every sale made through an app distributed by their App Store? Like Amazon, or food delivery, or grocery apps, and any other app that sells something through the app?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by perceptronas »

fleddr wrote: post #772

People are digressing into all kinds of matters unrelated to the article and issue. The heart of the matter is not control of the device, it's about the Apple tax, and how it makes no sense in particular scenarios, such as subscriptions. Sure enough, the app store services are worth something . Real labor, infra and costs go into it. Although Apple could very well subsidize it, it's not 100% unfair to ask for some ki…

I think your point is valid. However, I am wondering what is the alternative? Other paid apps developers will make their apps free and charge subscription fee instead to avoid paying any Apple tax.
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