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Sperm counts worldwide are plummeting faster than we thought

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Post by yamtaddle »

agentwiggles wrote: post #590
yamtaddle wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd want to know that drinks aren't full of that stuff regardless of the end-user container material, before worrying about it. They're surely exposed to tons of plastics in the manufacturing process, including at times when various components are heated. Even water supplies in a house will typically have been in contact with plastics—at the treatment plant, in the house for any modern house (they're pretty much all…

> ever start with a hot tap for water you're gonna boil? I've been told I shouldn't do this, so I don't, but I always feel like a rube waiting for a big pot of pasta water to boil from cold when I know I could have just used my giant tank of heated water and save 10 minutes of waiting...

Yeah, I don't either, but I'd be surprised if most people don't use the hot tap for stovetop-bound water.

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Post by colordrops »

Knufen wrote: post #478

I did my Master Degree in Organic Chemistry where we tried to develop a male contraceptive pill. I spend a lot of time studying sperm so here is a short list of thing to avoid regarding sperm quality (not ranked): 1. Eating and drinking from plastics (This includes aluminum cans which are plastic lined) [a] 2. Heating food in ANY type of plastic [a] 3. Caffein intake [b] 4. Sugar intake [c] 5. NOT exercising regularl…

With all of these it's a matter of quantity. For instance, bullet point 9 about soy makes me question this list. It turns out that phytoestrogens are much less potent than real estrogen, and the only people that were found to have measurable effects from soy was through a study of older men that ate massive amounts of soy every day in Japan. There is real estrogen in cow's milk, which would have a much stronger effect than soy, yet no one speaks about this. Hops in beer also has more phytoestrogens than soy.

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Post by anikom15 »

agentwiggles wrote: post #590
yamtaddle wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd want to know that drinks aren't full of that stuff regardless of the end-user container material, before worrying about it. They're surely exposed to tons of plastics in the manufacturing process, including at times when various components are heated. Even water supplies in a house will typically have been in contact with plastics—at the treatment plant, in the house for any modern house (they're pretty much all…

> ever start with a hot tap for water you're gonna boil? I've been told I shouldn't do this, so I don't, but I always feel like a rube waiting for a big pot of pasta water to boil from cold when I know I could have just used my giant tank of heated water and save 10 minutes of waiting...

There’s always a chance that there’s a dead animal in your water heater

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Post by yamtaddle »

anikom15 wrote: post #613
agentwiggles wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ever start with a hot tap for water you're gonna boil? I've been told I shouldn't do this, so I don't, but I always feel like a rube waiting for a big pot of pasta water to boil from cold when I know I could have just used my giant tank of heated water and save 10 minutes of waiting...

There’s always a chance that there’s a dead animal in your water heater

I'm torn between wanting more information, and preferring to live in blissful ignorance.

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Post by creaturemachine »

addingadimensio wrote: post #534
Knufen wrote: post #478

I did my Master Degree in Organic Chemistry where we tried to develop a male contraceptive pill. I spend a lot of time studying sperm so here is a short list of thing to avoid regarding sperm quality (not ranked): 1. Eating and drinking from plastics (This includes aluminum cans which are plastic lined) [a] 2. Heating food in ANY type of plastic [a] 3. Caffein intake [b] 4. Sugar intake [c] 5. NOT exercising regularl…

Careful — saying that plastic is turning the frogs gay is a dangerous right wing conspiracy theory

I thought that was the goblins' doing.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

themagician wrote: post #533
dj_mc_merlin wrote: post #510

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I might as well stop using condoms.

Switch to PS5 + Mountain Dew. 30 minutes before sex, microwave a cookie in tupperware and drink a beer. For added protection, download the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV. With an expanded free trial which you can play through the entirety of A Realm Reborn and the award winning Heavensward expansion up to level 60 for free with no restrictions on playtime.

Can't get a PS5. Does a Nintendo switch also do the job?

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Post by chordalkeyboard »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #592
Knufen wrote: post #574

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All plastics are endocrine disruptors [a], though the an easy filter is softer = worse. If anything food related is in contact with plastic there will be plastic in the food. The pH and temperature of the food have a big impact on plastic leaching. And sperm quality mostly affect fertility. The egg and the body if the woman is incredibly effective at selecting quality sperm and rejecting bad sperm. There are multiple…

Plastic is generally defined by its mechanical and thermal properties and a dominance of polymers. There’s are lots and lots of different chemicals used as plastics today and they have wildly different chemical properties. It seems incredible to state that “all plastics” are endocrine disruptors. Many plastics are essentially chemically inert in a biological sense. In some ways DNA itself can be seen as a plastic bei…

plasticizers are a component of plastic, characterizing one ingredient in plastic as an 'additive' in order to shift the blame from plastic to plastic ingredients doesn't change the basic fact that plastics are endocrine disruptors because they leach plasticizer into food.

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Post by vanderZwan »

abeppu wrote: post #175
vanderZwan wrote: post #100

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I genuinely hate this (meaning Swan's) take. The modern world is waaaay to complex to offload all responsibility to "consumers". They did it with sustainability, with sweat shops, with food, with cleaning products. It's ridiculous.

> Ultimately, Levine and Swan say that local and global actions are needed to reduce or get rid of these chemicals in our environments. I think it's unfair to characterize Swan's take as trying to 'offload all responsibility to "consumers"'. Presumably the "get rid of these chemicals in our environments" doesn't just intend "our" to only mean some hyper-vigilant subset of the population. One can advocate for removing…

Fair, I should have said "Swan's statement in the quote" - the intention was mainly to avoid being misinterpreted as disagreeing with DoingIsLearning anyway, not to dunk on my namesake.

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Post by hirvi74 »

dham wrote: post #155

Just another side effect of sugar industry pushing that "fat" is bad. Now no one cooks with butter or lard and use nonstick (Teflon) pans which leaches into food and into water sources when it's produced. We need basic cooking classes in high school and have governments pushing only stainless steel and iron cookware.

Butter (sometimes other oils when necessary) and cast iron is all I have used for decades now. I jumped on the cast iron train around the age of 18 and have never used anything but cast iron since. In fact, I still use the same cast iron pots/pans I initially acquired 12 years ago. Cast-iron is surprisingly non-stick/easy to clean and damn near indestructible when responsibly used and maintained properly.

Plus, you can put cast iron pots & pans in the oven, over a modest open flame (like a campfire), etc..

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