Earlier quoted context omitted.
Damn that's true
The article states that if there are multiple moves the engine recommends, that they all count as the "optimal" move, even if there's an indication of preference by the engine.
Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
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Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#82Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#83It's a cool concept but the first naive thought that comes to mind for me is that white could just easily dominate by taking advantage of the fact that taking a queen is almost always the top engine move. So just by maintaining relative king safety on white's side, you just open your queen early and make sure that every move there onwards hangs your queen in some fashion. It's very easy to hang a queen. You just have…
The title "Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden" kinda suggests that the top move just isn't available to the player. However, the thought you had, and similar ones, are very much the intentional side-effect of the rules. The only way to win the game, as stated, is forcing your opponent to make the top engine move. Or, of course, correctly claim that your opponent made such a…
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#84That's making my head hurt.
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#85I've been thinking about a possible chess variant to eliminate opening preparation drudgery. The Fisher 960 variant tries to do this, but it can be very different from regular chess, and some of the positions are unbalanced. I think we can use the fact that engines know when a position is even. There must be millions of even positions in the first 10 or so moves. Pick one of those randomly, and start the game.
This is already how some engines tournaments work. They don't start from move zero, they start from some uncommon position after a few moves, but one still considered even or at least not unbalanced.
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#86Stockfish variant that always plays the 2nd best move.
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
The title "Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden" kinda suggests that the top move just isn't available to the player. However, the thought you had, and similar ones, are very much the intentional side-effect of the rules. The only way to win the game, as stated, is forcing your opponent to make the top engine move. Or, of course, correctly claim that your opponent made such a…
I'd also be interested in a variant where the engine-recommended move is displayed to the players. It would take out the uncertainty of whether a move is illegal, but would allow for different win conditions (e.g. approach checkmate without ever using an optimal move).
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Players only reference the engine to resolve a claim, after the move has been played.
Ah. So part of the fun is not knowing which move is forbidden, ahead of time.
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#89It's a cool concept but the first naive thought that comes to mind for me is that white could just easily dominate by taking advantage of the fact that taking a queen is almost always the top engine move. So just by maintaining relative king safety on white's side, you just open your queen early and make sure that every move there onwards hangs your queen in some fashion. It's very easy to hang a queen. You just have…
My first naive counterthought is that if you try to do that then black can ignore your queen and use their queen to take your pieces. You're a move ahead but you don't get a snowballing advantage.
Re: Human Chess is a chess variant where playing the top engine move is forbidden
#90In other words, whatever the rules, you can have an engine that will try to do the best according to the rules.