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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by MrScruff »

donmcronald wrote: post #27
dmitrygr wrote: post #11

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> What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? Facebook will demand you use FacebookStore, which will NOT force apps transparency. THAT is the issue!

I don't really see the difference between Facebook leveraging their social network platform to strong arm users into using a Facebook store and Apple leveraging their hardware platform to strong arm users into using the Apple app store. Both of them are bad for users. I think the way things would shake out is that most app developers would want to have their app in as many stores as possible. Combine that with stores…

I don't think Apple's strong arming me into using their store. I understand the deal, and I'm happy with it!

I struggle to see how a free market for stores would improve my situation. Clearly the big software vendors won't pay someone a cut unless they have to. So they would either need their own stores, or they'd need an alternative store that didn't take a cut. But if the alternative store doesn't take a cut, how do they afford to moderate the content? It would clearly be a race to the bottom.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mavhc »

maccard wrote: post #541
aussieshibe wrote: post #479

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Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Not OP but yeah, I think it would. Im currently an android user because I thought it wouldn't, but in practice it does. The most explicit example is that despite owning a flagship phone from a flagship manufacturer, the Google suite of apps don…

To be fair it's also impossible to use Apple Pay on a foldable iPhone

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by RavingGoat »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #473
bigfudge wrote: post #469

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I think the “too many eggs in one basket” is really the only thing that persuades me. I don’t care that random developers have to workaround annoying restrictions and pay 30% to apple because it means it does just work and I don’t have to think — no one is trying to persuade me to do anything non Standard because there is no wiggle room. That’s a good thing. But it is a risk — I don’t like what apple is doing in Chin…

> I don’t care that random developers have to workaround annoying restrictions and pay 30% to apple because it means it does just work and I don’t have to think — no one is trying to persuade me to do anything non Standard because there is no wiggle room. That’s a good thing. Remember this in 10 years or so when Apple will do things you won't like and you'll have no way out. I've bookmarked your comment to have it ha…

But I do have a way out, android.

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Post by matkoniecz »

laserlight wrote: post #654
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #651

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> Yes, it would, because will require you to opt-out of Apple's ultra-managed experience to use their app. So, which " " is making you do this on android, where you can actually sideload apps?

I don't know. What's your point?

that it does not happen on Android, as far as I know, and likely it would not be a big problem on iPhone

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Post by pclmulqdq »

weberer wrote: post #525
aroma_mic wrote: post #102

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Same should be said for Nintendo or Sony, who assert the same control. Most of the money made is on games. Not saying you’re wrong or anything, if anything I agree, and think it should apply to all my hardware I buy.

Well they did ship out official Linux discs for the PS2 and PS3.

Linux for the PS4 and PS5 is just a normal x64 Linux binary. The 2 and 3 had very exotic architectures.

For a while, you could get the most FLOPS/$ by networking PS3s together instead of buying commercial computing hardware.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Kbelicius »

etchalon wrote: post #397
root_axis wrote: post #296

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> Apple's customer base Interesting way to frame it. The customer belongs to Apple. Far be it for the customer to decide what they want or like, they belong to Apple after all, and if those corporations want access to what's Apple's, they need to pay up. You're not wrong, but imagine a world where the customer didn't actually belong to Apple and the users could decide to play Fornite or shitpost on Twitter if that wa…

I don't understand how the customer wouldn't belong to Apple. I can't go into McDonald's and order a Whopper. McDonald's owns me, so long as I'm in their store. If I want a Whopper, I have to go to Burger King. "But Burger King is farther away, and thus, McDonald's has a monopoly on that customer" is a weird argument.

What a terrible analogy. Sure, you can't go in to McDonald's and buy a whopper but you can certainly buy a big mac and then you can do with it whatever you want since it belongs to you and not to McDonald's.

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Post by rosnd »

anonymous_sorry wrote: post #508
rosnd wrote: post #356

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That's a ridiculous comparison, the Android kernel patchset is tiny https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common-patches/ It consists of "massive" changes such as: > Enable writable clock debugfs files which are required for debugging and testing and > Allow drivers to register hooks when IPIs are sent and handled. The statistics of these IPIs are helpful in predicting CPU idle states I suppose any distro backporti…

This disagreement is purely about semantics. In case its not clear, Linux the operating system typically means the Linux kernel plus a set of unix-inspired GPL-licenced userspace tools. Some (still) call this GNU/Linux, although that is a bit of a mouthful. Android has a completely different userspace to "Linux". The kernel is not the issue.

Well that's silly, the userspace you are talking about is strictly useless on phones. Every single attempt at building a reasonable mobile userspace for GNU/Linux has been a complete failure. What would that even look like? Almost all graphical GNU/Linux tools depend on X11, which is completely unsuited for phones.

But if you want, you can totally install all the GNU userspace tools on Android. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by InCityDreams »

sgustard wrote: post #262
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I'll contrast this with my TV. I want a TV that works and displays pictures & sound. Instead my TV is an Android hub with dozens of random apps installed. What it doesn't do half the time is work. Sure, I have "control" but I'd rather have "functional devices!"

You obviously bought a device incompatible with your requirements and preferences. You say so yourself: "Instead my TV is an Android hub....".

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by leobg »

yalogin wrote: post #657
sschueller wrote: post #21

Elon just tweeted from Apple HQ and is meeting with Tim Cook. Elon also deleted the tweet meme that he's going to war over the 30%. All talk and no substance, this thing won't go anywhere. Elon probably got what he wanted from Apple and everything else is just fud for the masses. Elon does not care the 30% or what Apple does in China. He wants Twitter to stay in the app store and Apple to pay for advertising on Twitt…

If I have learned anything about Elon, he is a bully and is currently using freedom of speech to get what he wants. He has an army of fans which include opportunistic powerful politicians and he is threatening to let them loose on anyone that doesn’t do his bidding. He doesn’t have any principles and won’t stick to any unwritten rules of decorum either.

Elon Musk has no principles? I find it strange how you could come to such a conclusion. These issues he engages in nowadays are exactly in line with what he cared about many years ago. For instance, around 2016 he shared his thoughts on building a tool to measure the credibility of journalists, which he wanted to call Pravda. What is his purchase of Twitter if not the culmination of this idea, rooted in the very same principle?
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