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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by giovannibajo1 »

donmcronald wrote: post #27
dmitrygr wrote: post #11

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> What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? Facebook will demand you use FacebookStore, which will NOT force apps transparency. THAT is the issue!

I don't really see the difference between Facebook leveraging their social network platform to strong arm users into using a Facebook store and Apple leveraging their hardware platform to strong arm users into using the Apple app store. Both of them are bad for users. I think the way things would shake out is that most app developers would want to have their app in as many stores as possible. Combine that with stores…

The difference is that Facebook is in the market of mining your soul so whatever store they would create it would be targeted to that and the rules and policies will make sure that they are able to reach that goal.

Apple is in the business of selling phones and has decided that a good strategy for them is to protect the privacy of users against data miners. So their store and payment system by default protect users against practices of data collections.

> Having app stores compete for developers and users would be amazing for everyone except the current app store owners

It would be good for developers, not for users. I don’t think a single non-developer user is grasping for having multiple ways to download and install an app, and having to search for multiple stores with multiple payment systems to get one software. For users, the “iPhone” allows to download apps; none of them gives a thought to the fact that it happens via a single “store”.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by aroma_mic »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Same should be said for Nintendo or Sony, who assert the same control. Most of the money made is on games.

Not saying you’re wrong or anything, if anything I agree, and think it should apply to all my hardware I buy.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by fractalf »

carl_dr wrote: post #93
llboston wrote: post #75

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The population China didn’t have the choice where they were born. With Apple, you have a choice, knowing fully the pros and cons of the ecosystem, whether to buy into it. It’s not the same at all.

Choosing between two evils is a choise?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by carl_dr »

fractalf wrote: post #103
carl_dr wrote: post #93

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The population China didn’t have the choice where they were born. With Apple, you have a choice, knowing fully the pros and cons of the ecosystem, whether to buy into it. It’s not the same at all.

Choosing between two evils is a choise?

That the other guy is evil, and that’s the only other choice, isn’t Apple’s fault.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by pkulak »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Apple is still on the hook for support if you disable that option, either because that's what you wanted, or because someone from Microsoft Support called you and told you that you needed to disable it so he could remove the virus.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by maxerickson »

olyjohn wrote: post #84
kmbfjr wrote: post #46

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You are absolutely correct, and I have no intention of abiding by this new way of vehicle ownership.

You can pry my carburetor from my cold, dead hands!

Carburetors are awful. Stop blasting fuel into the air.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by askvictor »

woah wrote: post #99
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #92

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Back in the PC days I posed the question: What if Apple sold its computers with options for the OS, e.g., [ ] Apple-provided [ ] User-provided. In other words, what if one could buy just the Apple hardware, without a pre-installed OS. I used to run NetBSD on the Mac. I did not care about getting 100% support for every feature of the hardware, I just wanted a working computer. It is funny because today iOS is the mand…

Don't some people run Linux on Mac hardware? How would your proposal change anything?

They do (and Windows on the older x86 based devices), but since the move to Apple Silicon, combined with a lack of availability of the specs, it becomes harder and harder. But OP is talking primarily about iOS, where it is impossible to run Linux (or any other OS)

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by m4rtink »

aroma_mic wrote: post #102
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Same should be said for Nintendo or Sony, who assert the same control. Most of the money made is on games. Not saying you’re wrong or anything, if anything I agree, and think it should apply to all my hardware I buy.

Indeed - a Nintendo Switch would be a perfect remote controller for robots if only Nintendo let you actually write code for the device you own!

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by maxerickson »

donmcronald wrote: post #23
greedo wrote: post #7

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The car industry already has subscription services; Volvo, Porsche, Jaguar/Land Rover, Genesis, Nissan, all have subscription plans. Don't like those? Go down to most car dealers and you can get a short term subscription called a lease... Funny how the world hasn't ended because of this. Just go buy an Android phone if you don't like Apple's walled garden.

The car industry is going to change drastically in the next decade and it's going to result in much higher ownership costs, especially for used car buyers. The schemes that are going to ruin ownership for a lot of people are just starting. The manufacturers are all going to start locking features behind subscriptions. Things like heated seats, navigation, phone integration, performance, etc. will be premium features…

Seems like they might not do it in unison.

Probably a big prize to defect once people start to catch on that it sucks.

(I will certainly shop pretty aggressively if they do shit as stupid as you describe there)

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by ogsalmanxx »

rosnd wrote: post #90
marricks wrote: post #80

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The way I see it the users have two crappy options based on business model: 1) Apple's freedom from inspection: they control your device and their ecosystem because they make money off the ecosystem. The take a cut of the phone/computer/watch you buy then anything you buy in their ecosystem because the ecosystem is their product. Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. 2) Google…

Android is Linux.

Android is Linux w/ Malware … omegalol
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