Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

reuters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 903 posts

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#201

Post by tshaddox »

m-p-3 wrote: post #17
dmitrygr wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? Facebook will demand you use FacebookStore, which will NOT force apps transparency. THAT is the issue!

And you'd still have the choice to install it or not. Android still allows their users to sideload apps, and it hasn't been the apocalypse. The core idea is choice.

> Android still allows their users to sideload apps, and it hasn't been the apocalypse.

"Not being the apocalypse" is a pretty low bar. Is it not the case that Android has a much worse history of problems with third-party software, including security, privacy, battery life, etc.?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#202

Post by tshaddox »

halpmeh wrote: post #171
adamwk wrote: post #170

Can someone explain why Apple is always the target for these complaints regarding fees? Is it just shorthand for both companies or a target people rally against? As Android has the same 30% fees for in-app billing, it's not like it's cheaper for Spotify on Google's platform. I get there's theoretically F-Droid and sideloading, but I don't see Spotify on fdroid so presumably there's not enough users to make it worth i…

Android allows 3rd party app stores, you can side load apps, and you can install a different OS.

Isn't the fact that Google Play charges 30% even when Android allows 3rd party app stores an indication that the 30% fee is not caused by a lack of competition in app stores?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#203

Post by marricks »

satvikpendem wrote: post #184
marricks wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way I see it the users have two crappy options based on business model: 1) Apple's freedom from inspection: they control your device and their ecosystem because they make money off the ecosystem. The take a cut of the phone/computer/watch you buy then anything you buy in their ecosystem because the ecosystem is their product. Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. 2) Google…

> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I beg to differ. Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33736259

Both your links go to the same Proton article and the heart of it seems to be this:

> Apple monitors your every move in the App Store and its News and Stocks apps and then uses that data to sell ads targeting you in those same apps. To meet its growth forecasts, experts expect Apple to start selling ads in its Maps, Podcast, and Books apps, meaning it could replicate this model across more of its services. Much more of your activity could be monitored in the future.

Tracking every click in the App Store/News/Stocks is not great but it is in NO WAY similar to tracking every website I view and reading every email I send.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#204

Post by woodruffw »

smoldesu wrote: post #198
woodruffw wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I don't use those things. But that's good to know.

Me neither, but every time I put on my Sony XM4s Apple Music gives me a nice modal asking me to pay for their service. It's really lovely UX.

Well, that's a little bit different from an ad, but I take your point.

That doesn't happen to me when I use the cheap earbud things that Apple sells (I use a Subsonic client app for music); do you have any idea what triggers it?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#205

Post by satvikpendem »

KoftaBob wrote: post #25

Shouldn't this provide even more motivation for companies like Spotify to invest in a high quality Progressive Web App that can be installed to phones, bypassing the app store entirely?

The same PWAs which Apple restricts on iOS because they know it would cut into their App Store cashflow? If it were an equal market, I'd agree with you, but the OS makers also make and prioritize their own application stores too, so of course they'd want to cut down other competitive avenues.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#206

Post by goosedragons »

pchristensen wrote: post #130
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I want Apple to maintain a consistent set of rules that app developers need to follow. I have no power to dictate my desirable terms to Facebook, Twitter, etc, but Apple does. I'm willing to give up some flexibility with my device for that. No matter what, I'm a tiny player with no power against globally powerful tech companies, but I'll take Apple's conditions vs 1) conditions set out by other companies that I trust…

The rules they do have are already inconsistently applied. And the rules they do have don't prevent a whole lot. Most of them are about protecting their moat, keeping people and governments from being offended and them safe from lawsuits. So what's the point?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#207

Post by smoldesu »

zaroth wrote: post #191
smoldesu wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

So just long tap and uninstall them? It’s not analogous to the Windows Start Menu showing ads you can’t turn off. What are the nags? I also don’t use Apple TV and don’t recall being nagged to use it. The only thing that annoys me is the prompt to “finish setting up” my phone when I don’t want to turn on Siri. I get the prompt a few times and then it gives up trying to get me to turn on Siri and stays happily disabled…

I mean, I can also click the little 'x' button on YouTube banner ads, but that doesn't make them any less annoying. Apple's promotion of their own services in MacOS makes it impossible to live in for me in the same way I can't browse the web without uBlock Origin. Blocking out nagware helps me focus.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#208

Post by satvikpendem »

marricks wrote: post #203
satvikpendem wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I beg to differ. Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33736259

Both your links go to the same Proton article and the heart of it seems to be this: > Apple monitors your every move in the App Store and its News and Stocks apps and then uses that data to sell ads targeting you in those same apps. To meet its growth forecasts, experts expect Apple to start selling ads in its Maps, Podcast, and Books apps, meaning it could replicate this model across more of its services. Much more…

Why do you assume Apple doesn't also track every website and email you read (especially if you use the default Apple-made apps)? After all, they make the OS, they can track whatever they want.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#209

Post by thefounder »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

Stop being silly! It's not your device! You don't own stuff anymore. You've just got a license to use it. Soon you will pay a monthly subscription for using it (like it or not)

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

#210

Post by smoldesu »

woodruffw wrote: post #204
smoldesu wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me neither, but every time I put on my Sony XM4s Apple Music gives me a nice modal asking me to pay for their service. It's really lovely UX.

Well, that's a little bit different from an ad, but I take your point. That doesn't happen to me when I use the cheap earbud things that Apple sells (I use a Subsonic client app for music); do you have any idea what triggers it?

Probably not being logged into iCloud.
Post reply on HN