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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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No substance, same arguments repeated from both sides all the time. Seems like a stalemate. I see to ways out for a company that feels it’s getting ripped of by Apple: 1. Don’t publish in App Store, do a web app or encourage your customers to get a different platform device. Not sure which one since Google Play Store AFAIK has the same rules. 2. Charge users +30% more when buying through IAP if same is offered any pl…

3. Put the app in SetApp program:

https://setapp.com

(This is awesome, btw, like Apple Arcade or Apple Music but for indie Apps crafted with care.)

4. Sell accounts outside the app.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I wish this guy would take some of his ample spare time and get his engineers working on the support for HomeKit devices that customers have been demanding for years now[1]. [1] https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/iOS-Implement-Na...

It's hard to take Spotify's call for openness seriously when they're just as controlling as Apple is when it comes to how it allows its users to use its product. Most egregiously, they never delivered the promised playback-capable replacement for libspotify, probably because they want to keep their users in their little walled garden where Spotify can subject them to incessant A/B test tweaks to the UI designed to he…

You can take him completely seriously: he just wants to be able to sign up paying users on iPhone without handing 30% to Apple. I don’t think that’s particularly opaque.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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> Jesus, can we have one day where it's not a Musk d!ck sucking competition?

Jesus, can we stop constantly yelling about whatever enemy that the administration tells us to yell about, and stop referring to their dicks over and over again? What is with the obsession with Musk's dick?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those Progress on that front is hampered because fruit company only allows their own browser and puts just enough effort into it to keep it relevant as a web browser.

But I see way too many people using Chrome on iOS or the Google App as their main web browser. If it was really about the underlying technology then nobody would download alternative web browsers, but they do, so surely people decide to use these browser apps based on their features like password support, tab design and functionality, etc.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading. Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store…

Apple’s non-hardware expenses aren’t limited to the distribution platform… They make the OS, the libraries, the APIs, the development tools and continue to maintain those even after the hardware is sold… Why should third parties get to free ride on that? I don’t see why we should compel software authors to add hooks and features and provide tools for non-paying third parties.

> They make the OS, the libraries, the APIs, the development tools… Why should third parties get to free ride on that?

I hear this argument all the time. But what do you think was done before iOS?

When will they have finally gotten paid for all that and don't need to take any more money from you?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Sharecroppers complaining that the land baron has stacked the deck in his own favour. Spotify and Twitter began life on the web, not in the app store. No feature they offer requires a native app. Hence there was no reason to corral half the US userbase into someone else's pen and leave them there for over a decade. Epic has already gone to court on this matter (re: Fortnite on App Store) and lost. And Fortnite wasn't…

Is it possible to do notifications without a native app?

Yes.

https://w3c.github.io/push-api/

https://developer.apple.com/notifications/safari-push-notifi...

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I won't pretend to understand the limits of Safari on iOS, but having the storage amount be based on the capabilities of one's device and not on the amount of actual storage available on it is a poor user experience, especially so if 512MB-2GB is the actual limit. In that sense, I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature, not necessaril…

>I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature, Last I knew you are hard limited to 3,333 songs on device, for licensing reasons.

I have over 14,000 songs in iTunes on my Mac, iPod Touch and Galaxy 10e.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I think with Apple this ship is slowly sailing, and the tracking will soon be just as bad as Google.

How so? I think their strides in fields like differential privacy show how willing they are to protect their end users.

I personally think their migration to subscription based revenue and advertising says differently (just personal opinion). Were now the product with Apple too, not the customer. We used to pay more to not deal with that.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

The way I see it the users have two crappy options based on business model: 1) Apple's freedom from inspection: they control your device and their ecosystem because they make money off the ecosystem. The take a cut of the phone/computer/watch you buy then anything you buy in their ecosystem because the ecosystem is their product. Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. 2) Google…

The big competitor to Apple is Samsung, and Samsung devices tend to be just as locked down as Apple devices (though the prevalence of jailbreaks has been higher, and of course you can sideload apps). Those two companies make up over 75% of smartphones in the US, and neither of their next competitors down (OnePlus and Lenovo) are Google.

People talk about Android like it is the "do anything you want device marketed at end users", but it is the "do anything you want operating system marketed at device manufacturers". One of the many things you can do with such a device is lock it down, and that's what companies who make devices that run Android, like quite-notably Samsung, have largely decided to do.

Google's first-party devices are often quite open, and that's cool and all, but they do not have much marketshare because, in the end, they kind of suck with the various limited hardware tradeoffs they make. Users, generally, are unable to provide a very strong purchasing signal preference on "is an open device" because they are too busy optimizing for having good cameras or screens or whatever it is that they consider the primary point of owning the phone in the first place is.

At the end of the day, Android then become more of a coalition of brands herded by Google--but led by Samsung, whom at least used to make the vast majority of the actual profit, disproportionate even to their marketshare--in attempts to reign them in on what crazy changes they make, but those limitations do not enforce the device to be open... far from it, really! And so we have seen Google also the target of lawsuits for anti-competitive behavior with their store (including by Epic, whose argument almost made more sense against Google than Apple).

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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100 copies of the same two choices is not competition.

So since all computers are Unix* or Windows, there's no competition? Ridiculous.

If every single windows computer required you to pay them 30% for every transaction from those computers, yeah that would be an anti trust violation as well.

Microsoft got in trouble for the much less bad act of merely bundling a browser with the OS.

Imagine how much worse it would be if they took 30% of every transaction on every computer in the world.

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