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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Waterluvian »

nvrspyx wrote: post #28
rchaud wrote: post #20

Sharecroppers complaining that the land baron has stacked the deck in his own favour. Spotify and Twitter began life on the web, not in the app store. No feature they offer requires a native app. Hence there was no reason to corral half the US userbase into someone else's pen and leave them there for over a decade. Epic has already gone to court on this matter (re: Fortnite on App Store) and lost. And Fortnite wasn't…

> No feature they offer requires a native app. Maybe not Twitter, but I don't see how Spotify's offline downloads would work through the iOS browser. Also, Spotify started as a native desktop app. The web player and full transition to electron wasn't until a couple of years later.

There's possibly smarter ways to handle this with Service Workers, CacheStorage, or other APIs. But with Indexeddb you could store blobs or array buffers up to 512MB on some mobile devices, 2GB on others. So there's like 100 songs offline.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by nvrspyx »

Waterluvian wrote: post #31
nvrspyx wrote: post #28

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> No feature they offer requires a native app. Maybe not Twitter, but I don't see how Spotify's offline downloads would work through the iOS browser. Also, Spotify started as a native desktop app. The web player and full transition to electron wasn't until a couple of years later.

There's possibly smarter ways to handle this with Service Workers, CacheStorage, or other APIs. But with Indexeddb you could store blobs or array buffers up to 512MB on some mobile devices, 2GB on others. So there's like 100 songs offline.

I won't pretend to understand the limits of Safari on iOS, but having the storage amount be based on the capabilities of one's device and not on the amount of actual storage available on it is a poor user experience, especially so if 512MB-2GB is the actual limit. In that sense, I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature, not necessarily simply being able to download a song for offline use.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Waterluvian »

nvrspyx wrote: post #32
Waterluvian wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's possibly smarter ways to handle this with Service Workers, CacheStorage, or other APIs. But with Indexeddb you could store blobs or array buffers up to 512MB on some mobile devices, 2GB on others. So there's like 100 songs offline.

I won't pretend to understand the limits of Safari on iOS, but having the storage amount be based on the capabilities of one's device and not on the amount of actual storage available on it is a poor user experience, especially so if 512MB-2GB is the actual limit. In that sense, I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature, not necessaril…

Sure, there's arguments to be made both ways. But it's a far cry from "there must be a native app because 100 offline songs isn't enough."

This is kind of funny because you're describing the opposite of a ridiculously painful issue I've been dealing with: Signal on iOS eating up and refusing to free 20GB. I wish I could limit how much space an app is allowed to use.

Furthermore, this is actually kind of proving the point: Apple is the one who picked the limit for their browser. Probably because they don't want you just using web apps. They want you thinking blissfully that the browser is inferior and you must go get native apps.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mrguyorama »

adam_arthur wrote: post #15
greedo wrote: post #8

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Netflix pays reduced percentages to Apple. Been this way for a long time from what I recall. Other big companies negotiate the percentage as well.

Doesn’t matter if they get a better rate than market. The precise number doesn’t change the stated dynamics or situation at all. That there are app developers that get preferential treatment just demonstrates the arbitrary power Apple has over choosing winners and losers

But big companies love these kind of barriers, it prevents small competitors from being able to exist. Besides, Google takes a cut of things in their store, Epic from theirs, and if facebook made the metaverse work, you can bet your ass they'd try and take a thirty percent cut. They would never fight against that, it's literally free money.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mrguyorama »

nvrspyx wrote: post #32
Waterluvian wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's possibly smarter ways to handle this with Service Workers, CacheStorage, or other APIs. But with Indexeddb you could store blobs or array buffers up to 512MB on some mobile devices, 2GB on others. So there's like 100 songs offline.

I won't pretend to understand the limits of Safari on iOS, but having the storage amount be based on the capabilities of one's device and not on the amount of actual storage available on it is a poor user experience, especially so if 512MB-2GB is the actual limit. In that sense, I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature, not necessaril…

>I would consider the ability to download as many songs for offline use as my phone's actual storage allows to be the feature,

Last I knew you are hard limited to 3,333 songs on device, for licensing reasons.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mrguyorama »

sschueller wrote: post #26
mandeepj wrote: post #24

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> Apple to pay for advertising on Twitter You can’t win a fight with Tim. E-lawn should have consulted with Zuck first. He did something similar and we all know how it ended for Meta. Most probably Elon is getting schooled, spanked, and hopefully not dragged around in that beautiful Apple park.

I hope he is getting schooled but he always seems to luck out somehow.

Hard to fall on your face when you have ARMIES of normal people all jockeying to put the pillow under you for free

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by lern_too_spel »

dmitrygr wrote: post #18
m-p-3 wrote: post #17

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And you'd still have the choice to install it or not. Android still allows their users to sideload apps, and it hasn't been the apocalypse. The core idea is choice.

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Despite Android allowing Facebook to create its own store, you can use Facebook on Android and not give them all your data. Even better, you can install apps that aren't allowed in the Play Store or the App Store (like ReVanced, Instander, and Blokada) that change the behavior of the Facebook app to collect less data.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mandeepj »

mrguyorama wrote: post #36
sschueller wrote: post #26

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I hope he is getting schooled but he always seems to luck out somehow.

Hard to fall on your face when you have ARMIES of normal people all jockeying to put the pillow under you for free

Are you certain we can call them normal?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by LegitShady »

dmitrygr wrote: post #18
m-p-3 wrote: post #17

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And you'd still have the choice to install it or not. Android still allows their users to sideload apps, and it hasn't been the apocalypse. The core idea is choice.

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If you want to use facebook, you either use the app or the web site.

If you don't want to use the app or the website, don't use facebook.

They made it so you have to use an app to use facebook messenger even though before you didn't have to, so I stopped using it and let everyone know you can't find me on facebook messenger.

Problem solved.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Yujf »

jdmoreira wrote: post #13

He takes 30% for his platform, what's the issue with Apple taking 30% for their own platform? Quit the platform if you want. If consumers value Spotify enough they will leave Apple for it (spoiler: They won't)

Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading.

Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store which also sucks).

My device so I and I alone should determine which software I want to run

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