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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by rch »

noodlesUK wrote: post #204

I think the thing that will suit you most is probably the FT. It's a similar grown-up feeling paper with a strong financial lean but still covers general interest news in a clear way. It's one of the few newspapers that I read that still has some longer form content. I see that you're UK based -- If you still have an active UK university email, you can usually get a subscription for free. See this page for details: h…

I'm a FT subscriber, and I can also recommend the Neue Zürcher Zeitung (https://nzz.ch/english).

They tend to have excellent data-driven reporting, and substantive articles.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

crazygringo wrote: post #162

I see this claim in nearly every HN thread about the Economist -- that it's declined in quality. And it baffles me because, having read it for 20+ years and gone back for research to read plenty of articles from further back... I just don't see it at all. It's the same market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism it's always been. Sometimes I think the way it characteriz…

IMO the Economist's version of "progressivism" has shifted to be more aligned with the World Economic Forum's version of "progressivism". Some might even say, in lockstep with the WEF at this point. IMO the newer brand is more aligned with the Third Reich's version of progressivism than the version I grew up believing in which is a generally non-invasive benovalent advancement of the human race.

One might do well to research the roots of "progressivism"; it's a very nice sounding word with some really evil origins, and the confusing thing is, it's evolutionary existence across decades has states where it was more good than evil.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by wpietri »

slowhand09 wrote: post #191
crazygringo wrote: post #162

I see this claim in nearly every HN thread about the Economist -- that it's declined in quality. And it baffles me because, having read it for 20+ years and gone back for research to read plenty of articles from further back... I just don't see it at all. It's the same market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism it's always been. Sometimes I think the way it characteriz…

I think its perspective. Drawing a parallel to Elon Musk. He says his political leanings haven't changed. Draw a line marked Far Left, Left, Sort of Left, Middle, Sort of Right, Right, Far Right. He says he was Left or Sort of Left, but somebody dragged the line way to the left. He is where he always was, but the line has moved.

Nah. We live in an age of asymmetric polarization. XKCD has a good rendering of the DW-NOMINATE data. Look especially at the US House since Reagan: https://xkcd.com/1127/

The right has moved far more than the left. Just looking at today's news, we find a prominent right-wing activist was convicted of plotting to overthrow the government: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63802649

The only area I think you could unequivocally say the US left has progressed on is civil rights for LGBT+ people. But in terms of things like labor rights, a social safety net, environmental conservation, gun control, election integrity, and business regulation, I'd say the center of the US left hasn't moved much in decades, much to the frustration of the more activist portion of the left. Note that people from other countries often see the Democratic Party as a center-right party.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by bitlax »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #135
bitlax wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the writing style. The choice of topics, point of view, and conclusions drawn at The Economist all show political bias.

Alright. What's the alternative? Read a multitude of even more biased single point of view blogs?

Well that's your second bad idea. Keep brainstorming but honestly I'd prefer you kept reading The Economist!

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by fattybob »

I used to be an Financial Times fanboy, but sad to say, it’s been going downhill for some time now , for news stories I should add. I used to get the economist, but found with my work rotation (4-6 week remote areas) - I was simply not reading it, then I was intrigued by a colleague reading the spectator- never really my politics, but I gave it a read and have been reading it since, I would read private eye if I could get it (not seen it in Vietnam). I also now read the telegraph- that and spectator and FT all online, again, I take a contrary bevies on any political bias, but the writing is good and enjoyable. Maybe I should take another look at the economist- in the past it was superb, it excelled in all fields, often better than supposedly specialised magazines (yeah - I ditched new scientist soon after graduating)!

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by libraryatnight »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #222
crazygringo wrote: post #162

I see this claim in nearly every HN thread about the Economist -- that it's declined in quality. And it baffles me because, having read it for 20+ years and gone back for research to read plenty of articles from further back... I just don't see it at all. It's the same market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism it's always been. Sometimes I think the way it characteriz…

IMO the Economist's version of "progressivism" has shifted to be more aligned with the World Economic Forum's version of "progressivism". Some might even say, in lockstep with the WEF at this point. IMO the newer brand is more aligned with the Third Reich's version of progressivism than the version I grew up believing in which is a generally non-invasive benovalent advancement of the human race. One might do well to…

There's no way you came to this conclusion yourself, you need to get off the internet

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by [deleted] »

Aromasin wrote: post #197
crazygringo wrote: post #162

I see this claim in nearly every HN thread about the Economist -- that it's declined in quality. And it baffles me because, having read it for 20+ years and gone back for research to read plenty of articles from further back... I just don't see it at all. It's the same market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism it's always been. Sometimes I think the way it characteriz…

I'll strongly opposed that notion. I've been an avid subscriber for just under 10 years, so not as long but long enough. I do truly believe that in the last 1-2 years the "market-based, socially progressive, pragmatic international strongly opinionated journalism" has taken a back seat to fence-hopping, evidence-lacking, low quality articles that I normally see in the Times or the Telegraph. I've got racks of magazin…

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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by that_guy_iain »

_trackno5 wrote: post #207
that_guy_iain wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First, I find they did not explain their model well. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. It's not an extraordinary claim tho. Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. This is basically old news. The cost of living "crisis" means that the price of energy is not becoming a matter for the average working person. This isn't really ext…

> Literally, every year old people die because of cold weather and not being able to afford the proper heating. Yes, but the problem is not explaining that people aren't dying because of the cold itself. The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true. Pretty much all reporting forgets to add the nuance that deaths in…

> The way you wrote this and the way the media portrays the problem makes it sound like people will die from freezing to death, which is just not true.

This is true. Old people freeze to death every year.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to The Economist?

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Post by I_complete_me »

libraryatnight wrote: post #226
CodeWriter23 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the Economist's version of "progressivism" has shifted to be more aligned with the World Economic Forum's version of "progressivism". Some might even say, in lockstep with the WEF at this point. IMO the newer brand is more aligned with the Third Reich's version of progressivism than the version I grew up believing in which is a generally non-invasive benovalent advancement of the human race. One might do well to…

There's no way you came to this conclusion yourself, you need to get off the internet

Given the writer's handle and what I know about AI and GPT-3, it probably IS the internet!
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