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Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Google is now a "recommendation engine" not a search engine... I type something in and it ignores the words and presents something it thinks I might like. For good measure, it prepends a word-spaghetti advert that's optimised on-the-fly to maximise confusion with the missing useful search result. When I accidentally click on it then they'll get paid.

I also use Google in the same way. Google is really amazing as a recommendation engine for finding keywords. Then you just have to get those keywords and put them in a real search engine.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

#93

Google is increasingly useless, but there is a Garbage In Garbage Out aspect given that the vast bulk of what they're indexing today is junk. Most of the problems appear, superficially at least, to be consequences of advertising. There seems to be a growing chunk of automated site propagation as well (90% identical content but with keywords/names/etc tweaked), perhaps for scams, perhaps again for advertising. There m…

> Most of the problems appear, superficially at least, to be consequences of advertising

Some trivia: Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page wrote about this in their 1998 paper "The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine". [1]

  8 Appendix A: Advertising and Mixed Motives
  
  Currently, the predominant business model for commercial search engines is advertising. The goals of
  the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. For
  example, in our prototype search engine one of the top results for cellular phone is "The Effect of
  Cellular Phone Use Upon Driver Attention", a study which explains in great detail the distractions and
  risk associated with conversing on a cell phone while driving. This search result came up first because
  of its high importance as judged by the PageRank algorithm, an approximation of citation importance on
  the web [Page, 98]. It is clear that a search engine which was taking money for showing cellular phone
  ads would have difficulty justifying the page that our system returned to its paying advertisers. For this
  type of reason and historical experience with other media [Bagdikian 83], we expect that advertising
  funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the
  consumers


They just did not know how destructive this conflict of interests would later be.

P.S. I'm a happy user of https://kagi.com! Definitely worth a Netflix sub per month, at least for programmers. :)

[1] http://infolab.stanford.edu/pub/papers/google.pdf

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

#94

Sometimes I worry about how long the "site:reddit.com" gravy train will last... It is getting too hard to make the Internet useful these days.

I think that some companies have already caught on. I've seen suspicious recommendation patterns on Reddit before, where one product will be relentlessly mentioned, to the point where a naive searcher would think it's the "clear choice". But this could also be astroturfing. For example, yesterday I was looking for a good toaster oven. The _only_ brand that gets recommended consistently is Breville, on multiple differ…

Breville toaster: I bought one that was recommended by my mum’s favorite food influencer. It had no power down button. Ok, I will unplug it when not using it, annoying but ok. But then the Teflon on the hot plates wore off… and it isn’t possible to replace them. You are supposed to buy a new one when this happens? Never again, never will trust that influencer ever again.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

#95

this is everything you need to know for the current state: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/gen-bypassing-google-tikto... I personally do something similar, pretty much all my searches have 'reddit' as an extra keyword.

I wish I could replace "reddit" with "forum" or some other type of category as opposed to reddit itself, especially with how much of reddit is already bought for (marketing, bots, enforced echo-chambers, etc.)

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

#96
post #71

This discussion repeats, with a lot of comments, roughly once per month. Here's a sample: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30347719 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29772136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29392702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29886423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32209067 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31093439 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31427996 https://…

I think this is good, the more people we have coalescing around the problem, the more likely it is to spill out of HN into normie-ville.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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post #53
post #39

Google is now a "recommendation engine" not a search engine... I type something in and it ignores the words and presents something it thinks I might like. For good measure, it prepends a word-spaghetti advert that's optimised on-the-fly to maximise confusion with the missing useful search result. When I accidentally click on it then they'll get paid.

Oh, that reminds me. How long has Youtube's search been so utterly useless and downright terrible? Whatever I enter, it interrupts the search results with recommendations THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MY QUERY every 5 results. What the fuck, Google. Are you doing this on purpose? Did somebody piss in your cereal and you decided to collectively punish all of us? If that's not the case, who's responsible so I can go ove…

I feel like most major media companies (and this probably generalizes somehow to a larger subset of capitalist enterprises) go through a lifecycle that starts with fulfilling real demand and ends with increasingly desperate attempts to generate fake demand. The exact mechanisms and motivations seem to vary (e.g. TV networks deciding which shows are worthy of "prime time" vs. YouTube trying to goose its engagement metrics), but the overall arc is strikingly similar.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

#98
post #22

Been using ddg for years and my use of !g has reduced considerably because it doesn’t result in better (but often worse) results. Google stopped being an innovative company many years ago. They’re in their Ballmer era. They’ll hopefully get a Nadella soon but not before it gets worse.

DDG is very nice -- I was pleasantly surprised, I wanted a few images in a python script a while back.. get the library, run all the searches you want, save images.. haven't looked but I just assume, Google won't let you do it and if you wanted, you'll need to install some Google commandline to your machine and enable it's metered API

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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post #91
post #39

Google is now a "recommendation engine" not a search engine... I type something in and it ignores the words and presents something it thinks I might like. For good measure, it prepends a word-spaghetti advert that's optimised on-the-fly to maximise confusion with the missing useful search result. When I accidentally click on it then they'll get paid.

I also use Google in the same way. Google is really amazing as a recommendation engine for finding keywords. Then you just have to get those keywords and put them in a real search engine.

What would be a real search engine according to you?
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