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Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Been using ddg for years and my use of !g has reduced considerably because it doesn’t result in better (but often worse) results. Google stopped being an innovative company many years ago. They’re in their Ballmer era. They’ll hopefully get a Nadella soon but not before it gets worse.

Annoyingly ddg also ignores + - and "verbatim" search terms and just shows the results they decide you must want. There are no good search engines any more. At least ddg still has bang searches.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Sometimes I worry about how long the "site:reddit.com" gravy train will last... It is getting too hard to make the Internet useful these days.

I think that some companies have already caught on. I've seen suspicious recommendation patterns on Reddit before, where one product will be relentlessly mentioned, to the point where a naive searcher would think it's the "clear choice". But this could also be astroturfing.

For example, yesterday I was looking for a good toaster oven. The _only_ brand that gets recommended consistently is Breville, on multiple different subreddits. However, there is nothing that makes me believe their product is any better than the competitions. Mass produced in china out of cheap materials, lots of reviews stating that they break once the warranty is up, etc etc. All of the Reddit comments are also very simple. Doing due diligence as a consumer has become a nightmare.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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I recently went through a very similar experience as yours and agree that the medical sites provided by Google are basically pamphlet material. It has indeed become very hard to get detailed, complex information from simply googling things, to the point that I don't trust getting valid info from a google search. Instead, I look for books by authors that are cross-referenced by multiple sources, I look at forums to see what different people agree/disagree on. In other words, I like to look at people from different backgrounds and places agreeing on similar issues or facts to confirm that the possibility of information being true is larger than otherwise.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Google is increasingly useless, but there is a Garbage In Garbage Out aspect given that the vast bulk of what they're indexing today is junk. Most of the problems appear, superficially at least, to be consequences of advertising. There seems to be a growing chunk of automated site propagation as well (90% identical content but with keywords/names/etc tweaked), perhaps for scams, perhaps again for advertising. There m…

Google bet the farm on their ability to do just that though. PageRank and other technologies where suppose to suppress content farms that just aggregate the same content over multiple sites for ad revenue, I have not done SEO in a long time but back in the day (early 00's) that was a sure fire way to get your site demoted in the google ranking was to have content 90+% similar to another site. It was a big problem for…

they didn't "bet the farm" on that at all, they've been desperately trying to diversify out of search advertising for basically the life of the company. Of course, they haven't succeeded but not because they're relying on search ads.

Re: Ask HN: Is Google becoming useless as a search engine, or is it just me?

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Google is increasingly useless, but there is a Garbage In Garbage Out aspect given that the vast bulk of what they're indexing today is junk. Most of the problems appear, superficially at least, to be consequences of advertising. There seems to be a growing chunk of automated site propagation as well (90% identical content but with keywords/names/etc tweaked), perhaps for scams, perhaps again for advertising. There m…

This is how inflation effects media. Publishers want to be "growthy", Google hasn't gone full-bore in making new print ad-supported, hence the proliferation of paywalls.
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