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The Balenciaga Controversy

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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Watch the rest of the video. Eventually the actors are all walking around wearing child carriers containing dolls.

What's so unsettling about that? Sure, I understand they did this to cause a bit of a stir, but it's just people carrying around dolls in a dystopian setting. And even if there were actual babies in there, the most unsettling part is the danger of the person carrying the baby slipping in the mud and falling on top of the baby.

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Okay but when does a joke stop being a joke and become serious? If they were little Jewish kids tied up getting gassed and whipped, would you be willing to take the same tone? I agree that marketing companies are well aware of shock value and use it from time to time but I would also assert that there's a large gray area where shock value becomes actual advocacy. I assert that that Balenciaga is within or past that g…

>Okay but when does a joke stop being a joke and become serious? When people are hurt or crimes are committed. >If they were little Jewish kids tied up getting gassed and whipped, would you be willing to take the same tone? That is is in bad taste, but not, in fact, the Holocaust? Yes. >I would also assert... And I assert that I am the most handsome and witty person in the HN comment section. (That's the thing with a…

I don't disagree with anything you're saying. The original poster claimed that we were all stupid for being angry with Balenciaga over this because Balenciaga was just joking. My claim was that you can't still claim you're joking when you cross a certain threshold. At some point, you're just unironically into the thing you're joking about. I wasn't talking about any legal implications with my post.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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>Balencia [sic]

The photoshoot included a roll of police tape with the sic: Baalencia. With Baal they were referring to Lord Moloch, a pagan God who demanded child sacrifice by casting these in the fires of a horned bull statue. So the fashion and modeling industry. They depict the demon. Youth and Beauty sacrificed at the altar of Lord Moloch. Maybe the photos are meant as a warning or a way to offset karmic debt. > I saw the best…

It's funny to keep trying to convince people you are a "real pedophile" (TM). In particular, with a zero-day account. I don't merely question the veracity of your feelings; I am calling your entire account (both the literal user account, and also the retelling of your stories) fiction.

It's also very suspect that you picked "Cuties" which was the prior round of moral outrage; it is almost as though, rather than being a "real pedophile" (TM) you are just sifting through Tucker Carlson's satanic panics to make provocative points that suit whatever weird agenda you have.

Lastly (and I do mean lastly, as after this, I'm done engaging you in discourse) it's interesting that you're sweating me, specifically. Every single comment on your fake identity "real pedophile" (TM) 4 hour old account is in response to me.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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I'm just pointing out that if you're too uncomfortable to educate yourself on the superficial level of googling if its actually real/a problem, you're likely unable to engage with this subject matter in a way that actually works to prevent child abuse. Yes, it's an ugly subject. Most children who are sexually abused are abused by their own family, not by random drag queens, not by whatever viral thing you heard but y…

This is a subtle form of whataboutism. First of all, this is not my personal activist cause. It's just something where I see people being naive (like the person I replied to) and I want to tell them to stop being naive . If this was about child marriage, I'm sure many arguments along the lines of "it's part of their culture, we need to respect it" can be made. Indeed, such things are normalized in certain cultures. T…

It's not whataboutism, it's pointing out that you're making some suspected wild trajectory of child abuse when actual child abuse currently exists in a widespread, normalized fashion.

There's no need to invent gay people clandestinely abusing children as if straight people don't openly abuse children already. Like I said, marrying underage children is legal, and it certainly isn't the lgbtq people that put that law there.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Well done on implying someone not agreeing with you on the moral value of carrying dolls in a fashion show is actually them not caring about child abuse and having a poor moral system. Please at least try to argue in good faith. It’s the first time I think I should flag a comment looking polite at face value.

>Well done on implying someone not agreeing with you on the moral value of carrying dolls in a fashion show This is not fair. The original post was about the inappropriate use of children in a marketing campaign. Balenciaga claims they didn't know the nature of the photoshoot. The video I linked provides context demonstrating that balenciaga continued the same theme in their fashion show. "Why is this fashion show ba…

Your slippery slope logical fallacies has no merit. There were no children being abused in the Balenciaga video you posted.

>These seem to be adults dressed as literal demons This would imply you believe in demons, which are things that do not exist in the real world. You might believe they exist due to your moral upbringing but just because you were brainwashed (abused) as a child, doesnt mean every one is a child abuser.

Lotta Volkova artwork is definitely sordid but so is a lot of art. You dont have to like it or even look.

If anyone abuses a child, partner or elder, they should be held accountable.

Let me know when there's a wiki list full child abuse incidents involving Drag shows while most godfearing people ignore institutional abuse and rape in the Church

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_c...

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Not just make it stick, but to implement stochastic terrorism, as with the recent LGBTQ nightclub shooting in Colorado.

You mean that shooting in which shooter was identified as a non-binary child of porn actor?

A false narrative which doesn't pass the sniff test.

Non-binary according to the shooter's attorney but referred to as "he" by his father. Neighbours also asserted that the shooter frequently used homophobic slurs and didn't identify as non binary at any point in the past.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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This is a subtle form of whataboutism. First of all, this is not my personal activist cause. It's just something where I see people being naive (like the person I replied to) and I want to tell them to stop being naive . If this was about child marriage, I'm sure many arguments along the lines of "it's part of their culture, we need to respect it" can be made. Indeed, such things are normalized in certain cultures. T…

It's not whataboutism, it's pointing out that you're making some suspected wild trajectory of child abuse when actual child abuse currently exists in a widespread, normalized fashion. There's no need to invent gay people clandestinely abusing children as if straight people don't openly abuse children already. Like I said, marrying underage children is legal, and it certainly isn't the lgbtq people that put that law t…

We're entering not-so-subtle whataboutism territory here. Which culture has normalized child marriage? Certainly not mainstream American culture. Even if it's technically legal under certain circumstances, it's exceptionally rare.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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post #18

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They filed a lawsuit claiming they didn't know about a single stray sheet of paper in one of the photos of the shoot, which looks entirely innocent on first inspection, but happens to be a court document for a famous child pornography suit. The existence of this document has been claimed by some observers (shoe, for one), to be the "smoking gun" proving that this is all satan worship rather than strange art. So it is…

It seems this belongs to the class of thought which believes that the rich and powerful are literal Satan worshippers and they, for some reason, like to hint at this in public.

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to wrap my head around this particular obsession. The satanic panic sadly never went away, I guess.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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It seems this belongs to the class of thought which believes that the rich and powerful are literal Satan worshippers and they, for some reason, like to hint at this in public.

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to wrap my head around this particular obsession. The satanic panic sadly never went away, I guess.

It has its roots in old anti-semitic conspiracy theories, particularly beliefs about blood libel (that Jews would kill Christian children in diabolical rituals) and "Cultural Marxism" (a Nazi-born conspiracy theory that academia is filled with ranks of Jews conspiring to indoctrinate people into Marxist/Communist ideology, which feeds into general conspiracy theories about "the elites" plotting to change/take over the world in some nefarious way.)

Basically the modern version just has the serial numbers filed off and doesn't reference Jewish people directly, just "the elites" (note finance, entertainment and academia have long been considered "Jewish" domains for various reasons.) But if you did deeply enough, it's always there.

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