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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

mc32 wrote: post #120
p0pcult wrote: post #117

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Of course you're right, but let's continue the thought experiment: if they had used some of the imagery you suggest, would anyone claim that the people taking the photos were starving said children, or imprisoning people?

Not necessarily but they would talk about "normalizing" and advancing certain unwelcome attitudes and behavior. Let's say they "recreated" a Srebernica scene -it would certainly be controversial. No one would accuse them of massacring the actors --less so if they used CGI --but never the less is it would be considered beyond the pale and would be denounced by virtually everyone and for good reason. It's gross. It's r…

My only horse in this particular race is that--repugnant or not--this ad campaign does not constitute pedophilia, grooming, pedophilia normalization, or the like, as is claimed (for example) in the sibling to your comment:

>Just like the Balencia [sic] photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse.

Furthermore, that, these moral panics are dangerous and (specifically in this case), constitute attempts at stochastic terrorism and political destabilization.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

#122

Post by moralestapia »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #71
rabite wrote: post #8

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You're leaving out all the photos on Lotta Volkova's Instagram. These are not a "nothingburger" it is obviously the product of a sick mind that likes to imply the sexual suffering and physical injury of children. https://nitter.net/jakeshieldsajj/status/1597051525830152192...

NGL, most of it just looks kinda innocuously edgy and made for shock value. For all we know she's had like 1 edgy photo out of 100 normal ones and then someone just collated the creepiest ones? Do we know the context of any of these? [Edited to add: I don't know any of these people, fashion, or anything. I'm however extremely skeptical of conspiracy theory talk, poorly-contextualized information, and so need way more…

>A room covered in blood from what seems to be a real homicide scene

>innocuously edgy

No way.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

#123

Post by p0pcult »

naturedaily wrote: post #119
p0pcult wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you're right, but let's continue the thought experiment: if they had used some of the imagery you suggest, would anyone claim that the people taking the photos were starving said children, or imprisoning people?

This is not what is claimed, at least, not by the reasonable people opposed to such marketing. The photos would constitute gore. Just like the Balencia photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. The photographer is just pushing aside blame. They knew damn well what they were depicting when they checked the light values on the dog bowls and discarded adult clothing placed on the floor of a child's room.…

>Balencia

[sic]

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

#124

Post by PuppyTailWags »

moralestapia wrote: post #122
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NGL, most of it just looks kinda innocuously edgy and made for shock value. For all we know she's had like 1 edgy photo out of 100 normal ones and then someone just collated the creepiest ones? Do we know the context of any of these? [Edited to add: I don't know any of these people, fashion, or anything. I'm however extremely skeptical of conspiracy theory talk, poorly-contextualized information, and so need way more…

>A room covered in blood from what seems to be a real homicide scene >innocuously edgy No way.

The picture you mentioned looks more like something you see out of a police procedural or true crime TV show, which are very very popular genres of entertainment that are treated like popcorn watching. Bingeable, fun!

To be clear, I just don't think they're any more edgy than what is already normalized. It's just easy to prime the brain into thinking it's more serious than it is, because it's being put into an ominous context. In reality, simulated murder and children in one-pieces are already normalized as popcorn-level entertainment in the context of tv shows and gymnastics. If this is bad then we should really be cracking down harder on way more stuff than an instagram page.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

#125

Post by mc32 »

p0pcult wrote: post #121
mc32 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily but they would talk about "normalizing" and advancing certain unwelcome attitudes and behavior. Let's say they "recreated" a Srebernica scene -it would certainly be controversial. No one would accuse them of massacring the actors --less so if they used CGI --but never the less is it would be considered beyond the pale and would be denounced by virtually everyone and for good reason. It's gross. It's r…

My only horse in this particular race is that--repugnant or not--this ad campaign does not constitute pedophilia, grooming, pedophilia normalization, or the like, as is claimed (for example) in the sibling to your comment: >Just like the Balencia [sic] photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. Furthermore, that, these moral panics are dangerous and (specifically in this case), constitute attempts at st…

We'll have to disagree.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

#126

Post by p0pcult »

naturedaily wrote: post #113
p0pcult wrote: post #106

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Poe's Law.

More like: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time.

>To me, an actual pedophile

who says this? probably not "actual pedophile[s]"

>To you, these photos are not pedophilic. To me, an actual pedophile, these photos are. To each their own path. It is, afterall, a satanic truth that some things can have two opposing properties at the same time.

So you're saying that the photos tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself? Interesting take, actual pedophile; interesting take.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by incrudible »

woodruffw wrote: post #107
incrudible wrote: post #70

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I'm sorry, but what exactly do either drag queens or men in leather have to do with pedophilia? I'm not exactly a member of either community, but my understanding of drag is that it's performance art . My understanding of the leather community is that it's (1) a cornerstone of gay male culture, and (2) the polar opposite , in terms of sexual preferences, of the things people normally see as child-abuse-adjacent. You'…

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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by naturedaily »

p0pcult wrote: post #123
naturedaily wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not what is claimed, at least, not by the reasonable people opposed to such marketing. The photos would constitute gore. Just like the Balencia photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. The photographer is just pushing aside blame. They knew damn well what they were depicting when they checked the light values on the dog bowls and discarded adult clothing placed on the floor of a child's room.…

>Balencia [sic]

The photoshoot included a roll of police tape with the sic:

Baalencia.

With Baal they were referring to Lord Moloch, a pagan God who demanded child sacrifice by casting these in the fires of a horned bull statue.

So the fashion and modeling industry. They depict the demon. Youth and Beauty sacrificed at the altar of Lord Moloch. Maybe the photos are meant as a warning or a way to offset karmic debt.

> I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl

> who says this?

Someone who actually believes in free speech, not faux-free speech or faux-satanism. It is improbable, yes, even for those who talk a lot about free speech and satanism.

> So you're saying

I said what I said. These shoots, and the movie Cuties, invoked a pedophilic attraction in me. I do not think that was purely imagination, nor do I appreciate being questioned about the veracity of my feelings by someome who was not born for this path.

> tell us more about the viewers, based on their reactions, than about the photography itself?

I do not get this attraction to a photo of a milk carton. The photography itself certainly plays a role. The more you can identify with the photographer, in regards to boundaries and tastes and attractions, the more a photo will resonate with you.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

jimbob45 wrote: post #85
navjack27 wrote: post #43

To everyone commenting on this using the phrases: Seems bizarre Is bizarre Disturbing Seems concerning Fishy If someone shows you who they are believe them Shame Disgusting Literal demons Very unsettling Congratulations! You took the bait! Now you are participating in something called moral outrage. All you are doing is exactly what they want you to do. They being Balenciaga. You are free marketing.

Okay but when does a joke stop being a joke and become serious? If they were little Jewish kids tied up getting gassed and whipped, would you be willing to take the same tone? I agree that marketing companies are well aware of shock value and use it from time to time but I would also assert that there's a large gray area where shock value becomes actual advocacy. I assert that that Balenciaga is within or past that g…

>Okay but when does a joke stop being a joke and become serious?

When people are hurt or crimes are committed.

>If they were little Jewish kids tied up getting gassed and whipped, would you be willing to take the same tone?

That is is in bad taste, but not, in fact, the Holocaust? Yes.

>I would also assert...

And I assert that I am the most handsome and witty person in the HN comment section. (That's the thing with assertions--we can make as many as we want, but unless the are in our particular area of expertise, they are of little value.)

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

mc32 wrote: post #125
p0pcult wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My only horse in this particular race is that--repugnant or not--this ad campaign does not constitute pedophilia, grooming, pedophilia normalization, or the like, as is claimed (for example) in the sibling to your comment: >Just like the Balencia [sic] photos constitute pedophilia flirting with ritual abuse. Furthermore, that, these moral panics are dangerous and (specifically in this case), constitute attempts at st…

We'll have to disagree.

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