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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

incrudible wrote: post #92
hairofadog wrote: post #88

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How many incidents of “preschool leather daddy” have there been?

At least one, but it's not something I'm willing to google to find out precisely how common it is.

I'm just pointing out that if you're too uncomfortable to educate yourself on the superficial level of googling if its actually real/a problem, you're likely unable to engage with this subject matter in a way that actually works to prevent child abuse. Yes, it's an ugly subject. Most children who are sexually abused are abused by their own family, not by random drag queens, not by whatever viral thing you heard but you can't google because it's too gross for you.

If you want to actually make a difference, educate yourself on the very real harm that is done to children. Volunteer for anti-child abuse organizations. Advocate for real policies, such as banning child marriages across all states. Call your government about the hundreds of migrant children that ICE just "lost". Advocate for the removal of domestic abusers from police and civil servant positions. etc.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

HNDV wrote: post #93
p0pcult wrote: post #48

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And, unfortunately, the very dumb in the USA will use this as justification for shooting up LGBTQ nightclubs...or pizza parlors.

>the very dumb in the USA will use this as justification for shooting up LGBTQ nightclubs Did you mean the Colorado shooting, which was done by a non-binary person whose father was a porn actor? Or the Orlando shooting, which killed 49 and was the product of a muslim immigrant who self declared as a supporter of ISIS? >or pizza parlors. You mean, the one shooting in which nobody was actually shot?

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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #86
p0pcult wrote: post #82

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Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. Are you attempting to imply that the "non-binary" or "porn" adjectives are relevant here? I may be going out on a limb here, but I am not sure that "non-binary" or "porn" people commit shootings at different rates than the rest of the population--do you have any evidence, rather than mere implication (if that is in fact what you are implying)?

>Sorry, which shooting was that? Hard to keep track here in the US. The one you just cited, obviously. The point is that you are either misinformed, speculating as it suits you, or lying to present that shooting as being motivated by moral panic type politics because it has since come out that the shooter did not subscribe to those beliefs. And as much as it pains me to agree with you I concur that the shooter's gend…

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Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by 2devnull »

Art critics and other “intellectuals” (non artists) are to blame. They spread the false notion that art should be provocative not pretty. So the tasteless imitators who pose as artists have churned out a bunch of cringy beevis and butthead level “art” with pentagrams and blood and sexual perversion, etc… These are edgelords not artists. The public lap it up because they’re uneducated and have no aesthetic sensibilities.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by naturedaily »

p0pcult wrote: post #16

Until there is actual evidence of actual pedophilia, this is just a retread of the 1980s satanic panic, being capitalized upon by the global fascist hard right, but this time conflating pedophilia with homosexuality and transsexuality. Is it tasteless? De gustibus non est disputandum. So much high fashion is stupid and provocative, imo. Is it pedophilia? No.

I fancy myself a bit of a pedophile and a satanist. Most of my education on these topics stems from the 80s. In the 70s, naked children in photography was not even occulted.

Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. These photoshoots normalize and facilitate this attraction. If I was found with these photos in my possession, such evidence would get me in big trouble.

Yes, these blatant photoshoots are capitalized on by the hard right, and mostly ignored by the hard left. You would think that children are some of the most vulnerable people in society, and that these need protection from 1% sexualized capitalism, something the far left usually fights for, but these seem pre-occupied with battling global fascism right now.

Transsexuality is a big satanist topic. Male homosexuality has a big pedosexuality problem, but this is occulted and taboo to talk about.

You ask if it is tasteless, but then quote the Romans on debating taste, so assume it has a taste. This is the taste of pedophilia and Baal worship. This taste certainly provokes those with more common sensabilities.

It is pedophilic in nature. These people involved did their homework. Not like pop clips for children from about a decade ago, where they just slapped together some depictions of Isis to raps of Jeffrey Dahmer eating out hearts.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

naturedaily wrote: post #105
p0pcult wrote: post #16

Until there is actual evidence of actual pedophilia, this is just a retread of the 1980s satanic panic, being capitalized upon by the global fascist hard right, but this time conflating pedophilia with homosexuality and transsexuality. Is it tasteless? De gustibus non est disputandum. So much high fashion is stupid and provocative, imo. Is it pedophilia? No.

I fancy myself a bit of a pedophile and a satanist. Most of my education on these topics stems from the 80s. In the 70s, naked children in photography was not even occulted. Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to children. These photoshoots normalize and facilitate this attraction. If I was found with these photos in my possession, such evidence would get me in big trouble. Yes, these blatant photoshoots are capitalize…

Poe's Law.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by woodruffw »

incrudible wrote: post #70
KrugerDunnings wrote: post #14

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I thought that fashion show was great, the empty pit of mud is just hysterical, it is a bit of a shock act. The hole thing just seems like an inside joke that some people took too serious. This is a common problem with communicating things ironically, someone is bound to not get it. Dunno what happened with the photo shoot but probably the director was like put some paper on the table, and someone was like what paper…

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I'm sorry, but what exactly do either drag queens or men in leather have to do with pedophilia?

I'm not exactly a member of either community, but my understanding of drag is that it's performance art. My understanding of the leather community is that it's (1) a cornerstone of gay male culture, and (2) the polar opposite, in terms of sexual preferences, of the things people normally see as child-abuse-adjacent.

You're entitled to whatever opinion you have about the age appropriateness of "preschool leather daddy," if that's a thing that has ever even existed. But I see no reason to enshroud that opinion in the same old tired fearmongering tropes about gay people.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by giardini »

woodruffw wrote: post #51
thepasswordis wrote: post #3

Here’s Balenciaga’s 2023 video showing off their styles for the year. This is from their own YouTube channel. Fair warning: the children shown appear to be dolls, not actual human children, but it is still disturbing: https://youtu.be/Yh_1K9s6UV0 These seem to be adults dressed as literal demons (one of them has horns on their head) many of whom are carrying (probably fake) children, and all marching through the mud.…

I watched this video and I think you've grossly overstated how disturbing it is. The "theme" (insofar as anything high fashion really has a theme) seems like a mixture of grindhouse and apocalypse. "Child carrying a doll" is a borderline trope in that context: compare, for example, the first episode of The Walking Dead. I don't know anything about the thing you haven't linked, because you haven't linked it. But the p…

woodruffw says "> I watched this video and I think you've grossly overstated how disturbing it is.

Yes. It is annoying to have my attention brought to this. What would be disturbing would be being forced to watch the entire video, as in "A Clockwork Orange":

https://www.slantmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/fil...).

. Luckily freedom of speech reigns so I can turn off such shite.

On the plus side, they didn't pay much for the set, a mud/coal pit of some sort.

Re: The Balenciaga Controversy

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Post by p0pcult »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #76
cjbgkagh wrote: post #38

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I give a wide berth to artists but those teddy bears are not innocuous. They are highly suggestive and in the context of the photo shoot are beyond the pale. In my opinion BDSM teddy bears alone is a bright red flag.

It’s teddy bears in chains. I mean I know I’m French which means it’s probably hard to find someone culturally less attuned with an American regarding sexuality but the whole thing seems to me like a storm in a tea cup. As I said, it’s not tasteful but that’s miles away from being scandalous.

If only it were a storm in a teacup! This will be used for political gain among America's christo-nationalist right wing.
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