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I married a Vegetarian and I converted to a mostly Vegetarian diet myself and I have made a very real realisation over the last 10 years: The one group that really hates Vegans more than meat eaters are Vegetarians. Veganism is making being Vegetarian increasingly harder. It's so hard to find a Vegetarian pizza nowadays with real cheese. It's either meaty or fully Vegan. Same for burgers. Vegetarians don't want to ea…
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Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.
To each their own. I greatly enjoy the flavor of meat, but feel like a serial killer when I think about the animal suffering and to a lesser extend carbon emissions. While I also get a slightly odd feeling in my stomach from Impossible beef (doesn't happen with their cyber chicken), it's a tradeoff I'm excited to make 1-2 a month to get the flavor of a burger without feeling like I just tortured a puppy.
You forget all that leather used in a myriad of products, that leather comes from cows. Or feathers and down from various birds. Or the other million side products of animal husbandry, that I'm not even aware of. I think almost every part of a cow is used in an industrial process, not much is wasted.
Plus, this needs a totally vegan solution and you're wiping out any and all dairy products: cheeses (all 100 million of them), yogurt, regular milk, sour milk, sour cream, whey, etc.
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> We know red meat isn’t healthy. I think you mean we have studies of dubious quality blaming red meat. And scores of people repeating the same trite arguments. It's the same people that brought to you salt causes high blood pressure and saturated fat causes atherosclerosis, pushing the low fat craze and the obesity epidemic. Sure, meat is bad, go eat hyper processed fake meat.
Consuming a lot of heme iron is proven to be bad for the heart. Red meat contains heme iron in great amounts. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23708150/
From just 2 minutes with your paper: "Higher heme iron intake appeared to be significantly associated with a 31 % (95 % CI 4–67 %) elevated risk of developing CHD" --- lmao, loving that 95% confidence interval between 4 and 67%.
Passing those out as proof of real science keeps the disinformation and terrible practice alive. If I had a dime every time a random commenter gave me a link to an epidemiologic nutritional study, I could fund a double blind randomized one myself.
1: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/nov/29/plant-based-... — have fun reading the actual numbers in Tables 2, 3 and 4 of the linked paper.
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> We know red meat isn’t healthy. I think you mean we have studies of dubious quality blaming red meat. And scores of people repeating the same trite arguments. It's the same people that brought to you salt causes high blood pressure and saturated fat causes atherosclerosis, pushing the low fat craze and the obesity epidemic. Sure, meat is bad, go eat hyper processed fake meat.
Thank you! Those studies were all ideological driven and would never pass replication. Mongols vs China, diet was a defining factor in the Mongols victories. Meat and dairy, the dairy gave them tons go vitamin D as well.
Source?
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I don't think they were suggesting that. More something along the lines of "you're likely to be killing animals either way, so just accept that nature is cruel and don't feel guilty about it". There's a wide spectrum of how much you're willing to do to avoid causing suffering: - Nothing, eat meat from the worst factory farms without second thought - Only eat meat from local, ethical, sustainable, etc farmers. - Only…
You skipped cannibalism. Only eat people who deserve it, Dexter-style.
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Many people happily eat raw ground beef. I don't know anyone having an Impossible or Beyond tartare.
I gag a little at the thought of that, but objectively i guess all i can say is: to each their own.
Japanese cuisine has a substantial part of it built around eating raw produce. Such that many sushi are deemed ok for expecting mothers to eat.
Meanwhile balut is a delicacy in South East Asia.
Scottish people eat haggis, and Iceland eats hakarl (which traditionally used urine)
Asians eat durian while the French love blue cheese. I think all tastes can be acquired.
I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…
Maybe the industry will realize that most vegetarians and vegans find anything like meat revolting. They much prefer vegetarian meals that are not ultra-processed and still resemble the vegetable used to make them. Personally, the taste and look of beyond meat make me urge and feel like vomiting. It looks and tastes too much like a dead animal. I never miss the taste of meat, in fact, I hate the idea of eating anythi…
So for any of these companies go make it big, they need to cater to the 90%+ of people who like meat.
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The main feature then is that these products make you feel better about your consumption.
Personally, I'd say: These products make me feel like part of the solution rather than part of the problem WRT climate change and Lake Mead drying up.
Do you have leather shoes? Boots? Jackets? Other leather accessories like a wallet?
Leather upholstery in your car? A leather couch?
Do you consume dairy in any form (ice cream, yogurt, regular milk, sour milk, sour cream, cheese, ...)?