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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by froggychairs »

SoftTalker wrote: post #298
colordrops wrote: post #132

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I see you are being downvoted, but I know exactly what you mean. When I eat Impossible and especially Beyond burgers, my stomach feels slightly off. A bit of indigestion. I don't get this with typical veggie patties.

Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.

We know red meat isn’t healthy. Most (not all) fake meats try to replicate red meat.

What proof do you have them being unhealthy? Impossible for example has fairly simple list of ingredients. Better macros than burger ground.

Anecdotally. My father in law has had to stop eating red meat due to health concerns. He enjoys impossible products just fine with no negative concerns in blood biomarkers or examines (several years running now). We are controlling for exercise patterns too. He’s just replaced his frequent burgers with an impossible patty instead.

This comment is just a wild claim with no evidence and falsely equates “processed” with “unhealthy”

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by djur »

colordrops wrote: post #132
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #101

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I’m vegan, converted about four years ago so I ate meat for decades. I ate impossible burgers for a while after Burger King got them, because there is some nostalgia/novelty in going to a fast food joint. But I’ve realized that this weird food product leaves some kind of odd taste in my stomach, and not just from Burger King. I’m pretty over these fake beef burgers now, and would way rather have a black bean burger o…

I see you are being downvoted, but I know exactly what you mean. When I eat Impossible and especially Beyond burgers, my stomach feels slightly off. A bit of indigestion. I don't get this with typical veggie patties.

They're higher in fat than traditional veggie patties. That could explain it.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by saaarahh »

RupertEisenhart wrote: post #321
User23 wrote: post #315

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I think it’s fair to say that an industry that’s lasted ten thousand years[1] is sustainable. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle

Are you a climate change denier? Are you unaware of the changes that have happened in the last ten thousand years?

What is the time span requirements for 'sustainable'?

Everything on Earth will be toast in ~5 billion years.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by noodlenotes »

henrikschroder wrote: post #267
gwbas1c wrote: post #32

I married a vegan, and I eat a lot of vegetarian food. (I also still eat plenty of meat, just not every day.) One extremely frustrating aspect of plant meat is that they tried to aggressively push out traditional veggie burgers on restaurant menus. A familiar refrain I've heard in restaurants in the last few years is "we used to have a nice veggie patty, but they replaced it with the beyond/incredible/whatever patty.…

> The thing is, vegetarian food is incredible without needing to taste like meat. You are not the target group for these products! The whole point of these products is to replace meat for habitual meat eaters. If the companies can get their products to taste about the same as meat, and have about the same nutritional value, while being cheaper , we can eliminate enormous amounts of habitual meat consumption. That's t…

As a meat-eater, these products have been great as an option for sharing a meal with my vegetarian friends. I don't really know good vegetarian recipes, but I know how to cook a burger.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by antonvs »

rlt wrote: post #464
Cannabat wrote: post #413

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It sounds like you are suggesting non-animal agriculture kills or displaces more animals than animal agriculture. What do you think the animals humans like to eat, eat? A heck of a lot of grain and other plants. "Animal agriculture" includes the fluffy animals (with whom we may empathize - they ain't robots) and the massive farms that grow their feed. Animal agriculture incidentally kills and displaces far more other…

I don't think they were suggesting that. More something along the lines of "you're likely to be killing animals either way, so just accept that nature is cruel and don't feel guilty about it". There's a wide spectrum of how much you're willing to do to avoid causing suffering: - Nothing, eat meat from the worst factory farms without second thought - Only eat meat from local, ethical, sustainable, etc farmers. - Only…

You skipped cannibalism. Only eat people who deserve it, Dexter-style.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by VSerge »

froggychairs wrote: post #491
SoftTalker wrote: post #298

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Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.

We know red meat isn’t healthy. Most (not all) fake meats try to replicate red meat. What proof do you have them being unhealthy? Impossible for example has fairly simple list of ingredients. Better macros than burger ground. Anecdotally. My father in law has had to stop eating red meat due to health concerns. He enjoys impossible products just fine with no negative concerns in blood biomarkers or examines (several y…

For one thing, the high level of saturated fats in beyond meat patties (25% of max daily recommended intake) could be considered unhealthy. On some other aspects it seems pretty decent, with good protein content and some added vitamins as well.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by sph »

froggychairs wrote: post #491
SoftTalker wrote: post #298

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Beyond/Incredible meat is awful. There's no other description for it. This highly processed fake meat is not healthy. Just eat meat, or don't if you don't want to. There's no need for this fake garbage.

We know red meat isn’t healthy. Most (not all) fake meats try to replicate red meat. What proof do you have them being unhealthy? Impossible for example has fairly simple list of ingredients. Better macros than burger ground. Anecdotally. My father in law has had to stop eating red meat due to health concerns. He enjoys impossible products just fine with no negative concerns in blood biomarkers or examines (several y…

> We know red meat isn’t healthy.

I think you mean we have studies of dubious quality blaming red meat. And scores of people repeating the same trite arguments.

It's the same people that brought to you salt causes high blood pressure and saturated fat causes atherosclerosis, pushing the low fat craze and the obesity epidemic.

Sure, meat is bad, go eat hyper processed fake meat.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by effingwewt »

hcks wrote: post #404
ghostpepper wrote: post #351

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What do you see as the benefit of reducing red meat to once a month? There was a widely-publicized article recently questioning some "well-established" science that had, previously for decades, linked red meat to higher rates of heart disease, etc.

Could you or someone link this article please? Thanks

Here[1] is the article post on HN and the OP[2] on case you want the article directly.

Tangentially, seems to me the science on every food seems to change every few years. Sugar, fat, MSG, eggs, butter, meat, fish, milk, the list goes on.

As others in both this and the linked article stated, I think just reducing consumption would drastically reduce the amount of necessary livestock, which would reduce everything else in the chain. I definitely became more conscious of what I consume from all the secondary and tertiary effects.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33655321

[2] https://bigthink.com/health/red-meat-cancer-not-health-risk/

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by Dylan16807 »

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #326
steve_adams_86 wrote: post #221

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I think they both contain methylcellulose, which is considered benign but not digestible. In my experience it doesn’t cause major discomfort, but a mildly off putting sensation in my GI tract for a few hours. It might be something else, but it seems likely after narrowing things down for a while.

Cellulose? This is the modern equivalent of adding sawdust. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose

Fiber is good for you. Adding bulk into something that's supposed to be a mixture is only a problem when it's diluting the rest too much.
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