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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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This post is crowded with responses from people explaining why they hate Beyond meat FWIW, I've always liked Beyond Meat as a "good enough" substitution for a beef burger that's easy to prepare that is close in texture to a real burger - if you use a burger sauce and cheese like most recipes for non-vegans do, it tastes pretty close. I even liked it so much I'd order it at restaurants wherever available and bought a…

What is “burger sauce”?

Ketchup + mayo oftentimes

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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These companies are losing a lot of money. That the raw ingredients are cheap doesn’t matter much if the cost and complexity of processing is high.

I don't understand why the cost of processing can't achieve significant economies of scale when the company is supplying food at the national level. Can someone explain that to me?

I assume the process is a guarded trade secret, and if so, you might not have a forthcoming explanation.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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The problem is that these fake meats are worse for you than grass-raised beef.

Are they? I use Meet Co products a few nights a week in the various stir frys and pastas and such that I make, and got my blood test results in last week. And I am incredibly healthy at least by all the normal markers (and amusingly have too much iron saturation despite not supplementing it, which is weird, likely a genetic thing that they're screening me for now, that my vegan diet is probably keeping in check throu…

I don’t know what studies have been done in these products; they are too new and their processing steps are trade secret. But in general every processing step removes/denatures nutrients and increases the likelihood of toxic side reactions. And fake meat products involve a LOT of processing steps.

Think of it this way: every molecule in a cut of beef is something that was safe to be in a cow, and is generally safe for humans too. That’s true of beans and peas too. But every processing step denatures the organic matter further through a sequence of noisy organic chemistry reactions with lots of byproducts. Each inorganic processing step is making carcinogens and such, in trace amounts. A raw beef steak is 99.99% stuff that you have been evolved to eat. A beyond burger is probably 98-99% ok. But that extra 1-2% is very important to your health.

Unfortunately this isn’t something required to be studied by the FDA, so it isn’t.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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This post is crowded with responses from people explaining why they hate Beyond meat FWIW, I've always liked Beyond Meat as a "good enough" substitution for a beef burger that's easy to prepare that is close in texture to a real burger - if you use a burger sauce and cheese like most recipes for non-vegans do, it tastes pretty close. I even liked it so much I'd order it at restaurants wherever available and bought a…

What do you see as the benefit of reducing red meat to once a month? There was a widely-publicized article recently questioning some "well-established" science that had, previously for decades, linked red meat to higher rates of heart disease, etc.

Could you or someone link this article please? Thanks

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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I read somewhere in French press that some fake food company allegedly put melanin in their products to trick the FDA, that the peas they use for their fake food are from China and that those peas are full of poisonous chemicals like Bisphenol A.

First, what is "fake food"? Second, why would a company try to get caught on purpose?

Food is composed of naturally occurring ingredients, whereas fake food is made from synthetic ingredients. Food is typically healthier, fresher, and more nutrient-dense than fake food. Fake food is often made to look like real food, but it contains artificial flavors, colors, and other additives that are not found in real food.

I don't think they would try to get caught but they could try to pass the tests to get a FDA approval.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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This source says differently [0], at least for meat. Do you have any evidence or reasoning? [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18444144/

For some reason there is no reply button on the other replies. Maybe the evidence for meat doesn't generalise, but the idea that fresh vegetables would retain some sort-lived structures that start to break down once processed seems plausible. I was just pointing out that GPs claim could do with some backup.

I think GP didn’t provide citations as it’s a fairly well known and un-controversial opinion.

If this idea was new to you then maybe have a look at these sources, or do some other searches

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/red-and-proce...

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/processed-foods...

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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To each their own. I greatly enjoy the flavor of meat, but feel like a serial killer when I think about the animal suffering and to a lesser extend carbon emissions. While I also get a slightly odd feeling in my stomach from Impossible beef (doesn't happen with their cyber chicken), it's a tradeoff I'm excited to make 1-2 a month to get the flavor of a burger without feeling like I just tortured a puppy.

You'd be surprised how many animals die in the process of scaled agriculture and displacement that occurs to create these replacement goods. But they're not the big fluffy animals we anthropomorphise, so it's easy to accept.

Err, vegetables require less land per calorie than meat for consumption does.

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets

So your comment makes no sense at all.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Not exclusively, of course, but the degree of processing of food greatly influences our body’s insulin response, which can over time have huge impacts on health (leading to fatty liver disease / metabolic syndrome / obesity / diabetes). This is why, for instance, fruit juice is so much worse for us than the whole fruit — most of the fiber is removed which would otherwise slow down digestion and temper insulin respons…

Some kinds of processing increase insulin impact, others don't. If your goal is controlling sugars, a diet premised solely on minimizing processing isn't a great strategy; "processing" isn't the high-order bit of that problem.

Theoretically, you are right, of course. In practice though, to apply this, you would need to know how the processing exactly works, and how the body responds to that processing. Given that you can not really determine this easily, it is in practice just simpler to stick to unprocessed foods as much as possible, and just apply the sugar limit to those.
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