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Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by Double_a_92 »

adastra22 wrote: post #380
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #278

If you know cars are problematic, the solution isn't to produce a bicycle that has a "car-like experience". The solution is to make non-car transportation more available, more useful, cheaper, etc, and slowly make car use itself more painful. I have at least 8 vegan dishes I can make that are just amazingly delicious . A mushroom risotto, veggie tajine, chana masala, ramen, moussaka, general tso's cauliflour, cuban b…

Why though? Animals can be farmed cheaply, so what’s the problem?

Chicken probably yes, but not Beef...

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by cruano »

futuretaint wrote: post #168
nathansherburn wrote: post #83

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I think I'm probably the target market. I don't want to eat meat but I also love cheese burgers, sausages and other processesed meats. Beyond is amazing for me because I get to enjoy something that's close enough to the food I love without eating any meat.

I love Beyond Sausages for that very reason. they cook up like a sausage, they even have a sausage like skin. I think its pretty great, although highly processed and not suitable for staple food IMMO.

> highly processed and not suitable for staple food IMMO

Well, neither are regular sausages haha

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by julienreszka »

I read somewhere in French press that some fake food company allegedly put melanin in their products to trick the FDA, that the peas they use for their fake food are from China and that those peas are full of poisonous chemicals like Bisphenol A.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by Double_a_92 »

dagw wrote: post #52
senand wrote: post #9

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What about a price to CO2 (with equivalence calculation) emission? This would automatically make the (beef) meat significantly more expensive. And it would essentially just put a price on something which costs a price later anyway.

What about a price to CO2 Until that price shows up at the supermarket it is irrelevant.

Wouldn't that happen pretty quickly? I don't think meat producers would just happily cover for that extra fee.

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Post by JoyfulTurkey »

tptacek wrote: post #370
oifjsidjf wrote: post #365

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Cooking reduces availability of some nutrients and increases others.

Yes and can be beneficial sometimes. For example, in the case of something like kale or spinach cooking reduces goitrogens IIRC.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by Double_a_92 »

julienreszka wrote: post #393

I read somewhere in French press that some fake food company allegedly put melanin in their products to trick the FDA, that the peas they use for their fake food are from China and that those peas are full of poisonous chemicals like Bisphenol A.

First, what is "fake food"? Second, why would a company try to get caught on purpose?

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by ajmurmann »

agentgumshoe wrote: post #376
ajmurmann wrote: post #367

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To each their own. I greatly enjoy the flavor of meat, but feel like a serial killer when I think about the animal suffering and to a lesser extend carbon emissions. While I also get a slightly odd feeling in my stomach from Impossible beef (doesn't happen with their cyber chicken), it's a tradeoff I'm excited to make 1-2 a month to get the flavor of a burger without feeling like I just tortured a puppy.

You'd be surprised how many animals die in the process of scaled agriculture and displacement that occurs to create these replacement goods. But they're not the big fluffy animals we anthropomorphise, so it's easy to accept.

I don't think I'd be surprised. I don't know how to solve that though short of starving myself to death.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by friend_and_foe »

jjcm wrote: post #136

I'm a meat eater, but am a big fan of fake meats - to the point where I prefer them in some situations. Overall I'm not a huge fan of Beyond Meat. While it does feel closer in taste to beef than impossible burgers, I heavily prefer the taste of impossible burgers to beyond. Impossible burgers have a stronger umami taste and tend to add to the experience. Beyond kinda just tastes like lower end beef to me. This means…

That US subsidy, $114 per person, if removed and offset by higher prices at the supermarket, would amount to under $10 more a month per person in grocery costs. I can see there being a reduction of consumption at the scale of the industry in the US, but generally speaking I don't think the industry would notice it all that much. The subsidies are almost certainly not the reason that meat is cheaper than beyond burgers.

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Post by musiciangames »

godmode2019 wrote: post #247
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #101

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I’m vegan, converted about four years ago so I ate meat for decades. I ate impossible burgers for a while after Burger King got them, because there is some nostalgia/novelty in going to a fast food joint. But I’ve realized that this weird food product leaves some kind of odd taste in my stomach, and not just from Burger King. I’m pretty over these fake beef burgers now, and would way rather have a black bean burger o…

I don't watch TV so I didn't know about these products. I ordered a incredible beef pizza thinking it was extra topping or something. Half way through I happened to eat one of the 'beef' bits by itself and realised it tasted terrible and possibly expired. I googled it and turned out they sold me a fake meat while advertising it as " beef". Which I felt should be false advertising. The funny thing is I really enjoy fa…

I agree the naming/labeling thing is tricky. We have a friend who brings round 'vegan cheese' when she visits; living in the EU, I'm surprised this labeling is allowed. Is it OK to label vegetarian things as 'beef'? On the other hand, 'beef substitute' doesn't sound terribly appetising. But we are all familiar with 'peanut butter'; I'm sure someone more knowledgeable can explain what is and is not allowed.

Re: Beyond Meat is struggling, and the plant-based meat industry worries

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Post by twblalock »

Good! Intellectual dishonesty and self-deception of all kinds is wrong and weak, and it should be stopped.

Fake meat is just as dumb as those CVT transmissions that have fake shift points, or setting your watch 10 minutes ahead so you will never be late.

If you think eating meat is wrong, then stop doing it. It's a defensible moral position. But don't try to trick yourself into thinking you are still doing it -- instead, have the mental strength and willpower to admit to yourself that you are eating vegetables. Maybe even learn how to cook them in a way that does not impersonate meat.

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