AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes • Hacker News Board

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by lern_too_spel » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:35 PM UTC

skissane wrote: post #284

horsawlarway wrote: post #259

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> There is nothing terrible about Apple making devices my 80+ year old mother can safely and easily use. This - this line is the part of your argument I find fairly bullshit. There is nothing stopping Apple from making the same device, but giving you the keys to install your own software on it. Hell - They can even bury it in the settings, or lock it down through a provisioned profile so you can help your mom by turn…

> There is nothing stopping Apple from making the same device, but giving you the keys to install your own software on it. They do, at the app level. As a developer you can install whatever app you want on your own devices, even apps which would never be allowed in AppStore or TestFlight (although still not with all the entitlements Apple’s own apps can get.) OS level, your point stands.

You can do this only if you pay Apple $99 / year and deanonymize yourself with billing details. If not, you have to reinstall weekly, losing your local data.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by sneak » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:37 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #490

sneak wrote: post #485

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If Apple breaks Chinese law in any big or meaningful way... there is no iPhone 15 . Full stop. Apple is dead in the water without their CCP-jurisdiction manufacturing which produces approximately 100% of their products (and all of their biggest moneymakers).

And they chose to be reliant on a dictatorship... The reasons don't matter, the fact is Apple cooperates with whatever the CCP demands. What happens when China invades Taiwan? Will they aid our enemy?

They were reliant on the cooperation of an authoritarian dictatorship with or without Chinese manufacturing; they are one of the largest companies in Silicon Valley.

You can't fight city hall.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

It works precisely the same in every huge superpower. Absolutely nothing about this situation is unique to China.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by smoldesu » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:37 PM UTC

rib3ye wrote: post #175

This is in response to people spamming AirDrop, a common complaint. Don't jump to conclusions.

Just a coincidence that this gets rolled out 9 years after Airdrop debuted.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by rsj_hn » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:38 PM UTC

lordofgibbons wrote: post #496

sneak wrote: post #485

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If Apple breaks Chinese law in any big or meaningful way... there is no iPhone 15 . Full stop. Apple is dead in the water without their CCP-jurisdiction manufacturing which produces approximately 100% of their products (and all of their biggest moneymakers).

China didn't become an authoritarian police state AFTER Apple went in there with their manufacturing. They absolutely knew about CCP behavior, but they went there anyway in order to save money. So, they can't really play the helpless multi-hundred-billion-dollar-corporation victim card.

Apple don't move to China to save money, they moved to China in order to meet high demand. There was simply nowhere else that could produce the volume. And technically, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company, but that's not an important detail. Point is, only Chinese/Taiwanese contract manufacturers could give Apple the volume they needed.

I really wish you could talk to some more manufacturing types -- there are many on this site. A lot of things at scale can't be done anywhere except in China.

Now, you can argue that's just about "saving money", because Apple should have built its own automated ports and infrastructure and commodity trading hubs and paid to relocate workers to create a bespoke manufacturing center somewhere else -- but subject to realistic constraints, there was China and no second option to produce iPhones at scale.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by smoldesu » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:38 PM UTC

jbombadil wrote: post #444

Bit of a sidenote but I heard that in China iOS has a setting to disallow an app from accessing the internet (either wifi, cellular or both). Why can't that feature make it to the the rest of the world?

Because only China has the means to effectively backdoor it.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by lern_too_spel » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:38 PM UTC

yamtaddle wrote: post #271

snoot wrote: post #236

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Exactly this. People forget that most of hacking is social engineering.

All I can figure is these notions that it'd be fine and exactly the same come from the generation after all of us who experienced the horror of removing 20 "search bars" from every single one of our relatives' computers... and repeating every few months. And that's when they didn't manage to get outright viruses on the regular, which many of them did. They simply haven't seen how awful Internet-connected computing wa…

Or maybe we have 80+ year old relatives using Android and not having these problems.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by StanislavPetrov » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:38 PM UTC

noncoml wrote: post #477

GekkePrutser wrote: post #368

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Of course the zero-covid protests were also around a couple weeks ago..

But it wasn’t until today that Musk decide to start a propaganda war against Apple.

It wasn't until Apple (apparently) threatened to withdraw Twitter from the app store.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by rchaud » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

yamtaddle wrote: post #481

rchaud wrote: post #213

Time for a new operating system (if we didn't already hit that mark with the 2013 NSA leaks). Apple, Google, Samsung, Huawei: they all exist at the pleasure of the state. Please ignore their glitzy PR-laden presentations about protecting people's privacy and upholding human rights. They will sell you out in a second if it's convenient. On the mobile side of things, we need, at the barest minimum: - a web based OS wit…

> a web based OS I consider decent battery life and a low-latency interface table stakes for a mobile OS. I'd regard the floor for this as Android, though I'm only setting it that low to avoid charges of being contrary (I'm not happy with how much iOS has slipped on this, even, especially latency/responsiveness). It would be billionaire-mintingly novel if a team managed to clear that bar with webtech.

Regarding low latency, one of the reasons FF OS failed it was laggy on 2014-era mobile web APIs and device hardware. That's definitely not the case today.

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by firecall » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #445

anon400232 wrote: post #397

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Bowing to censorship? Bowing isn't necessarily done happily. Or maybe more ideas are also in play? Perhaps recognizing the existing power dynamics? Perhaps playing the game over a longer time frame? Not all ethicists recommend "dying on your sword" so to speak. Sometimes it is useful to maintain influence and fight another day. These things are far from simple. If you want Apple to push back on censorship in China, l…

Remember how Tim Cook’s Apple handled HKmap.live¹, Telegram², and the Navalny app³. Maybe you shouldn’t fight every battle, but he fights none. The richest company in the world has at the helm a person who quotes Martin Luther King Jr on the importance of doing something for others⁴ yet he always kowtows to authoritarian regimes. He’s in a stronger position than most people in the world to make a stand but he never d…

> Maybe you shouldn’t fight every battle, but he fights none.

All we know is what has been reported.

It would seem improbable what a multi trillion dollar company with it's manufacturing base in China wouldn't be dealing and negotiating with the Chinese authorities as part of day to day operations.

To say Tim Cook fights no battles seems unlikely. We cannot make that statement because the reality is that we just don't know what goes on behind closed doors!

Re: AirDrop is now limited to 10 minutes

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Post by fasthands9 » Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 10:40 PM UTC

shagie wrote: post #484

fasthands9 wrote: post #105

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I'm pretty torn on all this. Obviously the 30% is exorbitant. But the positive effects from it are very hard to see once you are used to everything working.

Most developers aren't paying 30%. From a bit ago: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/11/apple-announces-app-s... > The new App Store Small Business Program will benefit the vast majority of developers who sell digital goods and services on the store, providing them with a reduced commission on paid apps and in-app purchases. Developers can qualify for the program and a reduced, 15 percent commission if they earned…

Fair - although all of my app store purchases are with large companies so im essentially still paying 40% more than what the company is receiving directly. I'm not a developer, just a consumer.

It is also my understanding the cut they insist on taking on e-books and audio and movies etc. makes it impossible to sell those at all in the app. I guess that strictly makes the in-app experiences on the iPhone more secure, though still pushes it out.