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Post by kelnos »

snoot wrote: post #229
johnbellone wrote: post #218

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You're both saying the same thing.

Nope. They were taking about Apple cracking down. That’s not the same as being forced to make a software change at the governments demand.

That doesn't make it better, though. Plenty of companies have decided not to do business in China on ethical grounds. Hell, even Google pulled out of China way back when, a company I certainly don't think all that highly of.

Yes, not doing business in China means less revenue, and unhappy shareholders. This is why capitalism sucks: it more or less requires companies do unethical things, when not doing those things means much less money.

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Post by kosherhurricane »

mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

Capitalism giveth, and capitalism taketh it away. -KosherHurticane

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Post by horsawlarway »

yamtaddle wrote: post #241
snoot wrote: post #142

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> tech people who learned to program because their 8088 was completely open and free to let you actually create things and learn about computing, so many of you will defend this terrible situation. There is nothing terrible about Apple making devices my 80+ year old mother can safely and easily use. I have a Mac, and I also have Linux machines. Nothing is stopping people learning about computers. Why would anyone spe…

> Nothing is stopping people learning about computers. Hell, it's easier and cheaper than ever. You can run Linux in your browser on an iPad, just by visiting a URL. Or shell into various free-tier VMs, for... free. Maybe a one-time cost for an SSH/Mosh client if you're on iOS I suppose. Swift Playgrounds and a hundred other learn-to-code apps and sites exist. And that's if you're "stuck" with a locked-down device ru…

But hey - I'm free to send multicast packets from that iphone on a network I own, right? Because part of the learning is the doing things with the skills you learn later.

I'm free to install software I write on that iphone, right?

I'm free to sell the software I write using those skills to those other people, without risk of Apple arbitrarily shutting me out, right?

Or much more malicious, moving me down below their own shitty version, right?

All of those things - the things someone who goes to the trouble to learn about computers might want to do - I'm free to do those?

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Post by skissane »

horsawlarway wrote: post #259
snoot wrote: post #142

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> tech people who learned to program because their 8088 was completely open and free to let you actually create things and learn about computing, so many of you will defend this terrible situation. There is nothing terrible about Apple making devices my 80+ year old mother can safely and easily use. I have a Mac, and I also have Linux machines. Nothing is stopping people learning about computers. Why would anyone spe…

> There is nothing terrible about Apple making devices my 80+ year old mother can safely and easily use. This - this line is the part of your argument I find fairly bullshit. There is nothing stopping Apple from making the same device, but giving you the keys to install your own software on it. Hell - They can even bury it in the settings, or lock it down through a provisioned profile so you can help your mom by turn…

> There is nothing stopping Apple from making the same device, but giving you the keys to install your own software on it.

They do, at the app level. As a developer you can install whatever app you want on your own devices, even apps which would never be allowed in AppStore or TestFlight (although still not with all the entitlements Apple’s own apps can get.)

OS level, your point stands.

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Post by yamtaddle »

ohbtvz wrote: post #221
yamtaddle wrote: post #196

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> Why not allow alternative browser engines that follow strict privacy practices? A few reasons for me, personally: 1) I like the consistency of all web pages being rendered by the same engine and having access to similar capabilities, no matter if it's a web-view inside an app, or in a browser. 2) Safari's a pretty great default for mobile devices, so I don't feel like I'm losing out by being "stuck" with it. 3) Fro…

> 1) I like the consistency of all web pages being rendered by the same engine and having access to similar capabilities, no matter if it's a web-view inside an app, or in a browser. Then use Safari and don't install another browser. Why should other people be prevented from installing other browsers based on your preferences? > 2) Safari's a pretty great default for mobile devices, so I don't feel like I'm losing ou…

> Then use Safari and don't install another browser. Why should other people be prevented from installing other browsers based on your preferences?

Already answered in my post. A cookie for you if you can quote the relevant sentences.

> Then use Safari and don't install another browser. Why should other people be prevented from installing other browsers based on your preferences?

Ditto.

> Then use Safari and don't install another browser. Why should other people be prevented from installing other browsers based on your preferences?

Ditto.

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Post by duxup »

mhoad wrote: post #9

I don’t ever want to hear again how Apple is some champion of privacy and ethics. I’ve lost count of how many scandals have come out of their relationship with China from the suicide nets to the repeated investigations showing their supply chain was riddled with slave labor that they would later campaign against protections that would prevent it. Now this. They are fucked as a company, I can’t get out of their ecosys…

I still like them for privacy for my use case.

Beyond that is there a better company that operates in China that is doing better?

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Post by pshirshov »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #72
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #28

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The problem is that the alternative (Google) is worse.

Is this true even if say you use GrapheneOS?

GrapheneOS and its GApps sandbox are awesome, highly recommend.

At this point everything just works there, including network location provider, with only one exception - google pay won't allow you to add a card for contactless payments in most of the cases. But GrapheneOS is not at fault here.

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Post by sngz »

throwthere wrote: post #173
jackmott42 wrote: post #45

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Their ethics are terrible. You pay $1000 for a computer, and you are only allowed to install software on it that Apple says you are allowed to. You can only pay for software on their own store. Complete bullshit, and it makes me sad that so many here on HN and elsehwere, tech people who learned to program because their 8088 was completely open and free to let you actually create things and learn about computing, so m…

How does that look like bad ethics? You know you’re buying a walled garden with an Apple. If you care, then don’t buy Apple. That doesn't make Apple's ethics bad. It just goes against your prefences.

i don't think walled garden is the correct term to describe what OP was describing.

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Post by klodolph »

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #215
buffington wrote: post #199

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> you are only allowed to install software on it that Apple says you are allowed to This isn't accurate. macOS' default security settings (System > Security & Privacy) have "Allow apps downloaded from:" set to "App Store" by default. Selecting "App Store and identified developers" allows you to install anything from the App store, or anything that's been code signed. If you want to execute unsigned code, you can disa…

I am not intimately familiar with the Apple ecosystem. This still reads like all or nothing. All as in "App Store and identified developers", or user can turn off "System Integrity Protection" completely. Turning off SIP eliminates any protection. Is that what it means to disable SIP?

My understanding is that SIP makes certain locations read-only, like /System, /usr, applications bundled with the OS, etc. You’d turn it off if you had a bunch of wacky Unix packages from the old days that expected to run from specific paths.

I think if you want to just run any code you want, you sudo spctl --master-disable. I’ve never had to use it.

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Post by McDutchie »

snoot wrote: post #245
cosmojg wrote: post #231

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> Why would anyone spend $1000 on a computer from Apple if it’s not what they want? Because marketing. Then again, maybe the truth is that what people really want isn't the best tool for the job but the best-marketed tool for the job, and they spend their money accordingly.

Apple explicitly advertise that their computers are locked down. It’s part of their marketing. If people didn’t want it, this wouldn’t work.

Except that Apple's computers aren't locked down. That canard really needs to die. iPhones and iPads are locked down. Macs aren't. I can run whatever the I want on my Mac, and I do.
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