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Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by mattigames »

scarface74 wrote: post #147
mattigames wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Google introduces Angular" does mean that (even if you didn't knew what Angular is beforehand)

It absolutely doesn’t. People have been “introducing” other people for centuries. Where in any dictionary doesn’t imply any such thing? So if a consultant from McKinsey “introduces cloud best practices to company $x”, does that imply that McKinsey created AWS?

All your examples include "to", an specific demographic which implies it wasn't created by them, languages have a lot of subtext clues like that.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by maratc »

I have more than 500 dives under my weight belt, and I have a (regular) Apple watch, but I'm skeptical.

First, there's no mention of Nitrox anywhere (except in a screenshot). Most of the serious folks use this mix (basically, air enriched with some more oxygen) for their dives, it's unclear if — or to what extent — this supports Nitrox.

Second, there's no mention of the decompression algorithm they use. Buhlmann, Suunto RGBM, VPM are examples of algorithms where the assumptions about human physiology are backed by hundreds of thousands of dives, but what is driving this specific piece is kind of a mystery. As this device comes under "life support equipment" category, I would love to see more information about that.

Third, battery life is a concern here, while it almost never is with dedicated dive computers. My main device requires a trip to Switzerland every 10-15 years, and my backup device is serviced locally every 3 years or so; having a "two full days battery life" somewhat pales in comparison.

Finally, $10 a month is pretty expensive, especially when it comes on top of $700 down payment. Unclear what happens when you stop paying. I don't doubt that there are people who don't worry about that kind of money: the watch blogs are full with people discussing diving with their Rolexes and Omegas, but I have never seen anyone doing that in real world. 90% of the people use dive computers (owned or rented), and 90% of the rest use basic G-Shocks; you are lucky to see anyone with a mechanical timepiece (which almost always happens to be made by Seiko).

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by izacus »

maratc wrote: post #152

I have more than 500 dives under my weight belt, and I have a (regular) Apple watch, but I'm skeptical. First, there's no mention of Nitrox anywhere (except in a screenshot). Most of the serious folks use this mix (basically, air enriched with some more oxygen) for their dives, it's unclear if — or to what extent — this supports Nitrox. Second, there's no mention of the decompression algorithm they use. Buhlmann, Suu…

I'm pretty sure this will be used by people who go on a week of dives every half a year or so (those are most people I meet in touristy dive places these days) and not by tech or nitrox divers.

For those people it makes more sense - no need to carry another dive computer, no need to buy another device and the battery will be just fine for two/three dives in a day.

More serious people will still get their Shearwaters/Garmins and other devices. Although, Apple might cause those companies to go out of business eventually and you'll have to buy their subscription for your sport in a few years anyway :)

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by maratc »

izacus wrote: post #153
maratc wrote: post #152

I have more than 500 dives under my weight belt, and I have a (regular) Apple watch, but I'm skeptical. First, there's no mention of Nitrox anywhere (except in a screenshot). Most of the serious folks use this mix (basically, air enriched with some more oxygen) for their dives, it's unclear if — or to what extent — this supports Nitrox. Second, there's no mention of the decompression algorithm they use. Buhlmann, Suu…

I'm pretty sure this will be used by people who go on a week of dives every half a year or so (those are most people I meet in touristy dive places these days) and not by tech or nitrox divers. For those people it makes more sense - no need to carry another dive computer, no need to buy another device and the battery will be just fine for two/three dives in a day. More serious people will still get their Shearwaters/…

> For those people it makes more sense

$80 a year can get you a rental computer for 8 days, and you don't have to worry about its battery — or you get another piece.

> you'll have to buy their subscription for your sport in a few years anyway

My Spyder (from 2001) will be working just fine long after my Apple Watch will become a deadweight. As there is no subscription, no online service, and no monthly payment, it could also survive the bankruptcy of its manufacturer.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by FireBeyond »

scarface74 wrote: post #150
mgkimsal wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/introduce to create... as if for the first time;

Out of the six definitions and you conveniently skip the first one: > to present (a person) to another so as to make acquainted. Which is exactly what Apple did in the submitted post. Also if you look at the 2-4th definitions. The submitted title jibes directly with what Apple did.

If you're going to complain that he skipped the first definition (hint, subsequent are no less valid), then I'm going to complain that as the app is not a person, the first definition is invalid.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by mynameisvlad »

scrumper wrote: post #108
mynameisvlad wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also for tagging your dives. Your watch would know where you descended/ascended. It’s great for when you’re in the middle of nowhere on a liveaboard and you forget the names of the dive sites. My Suunto watch uses the phone’s GPS for the same purpose.

Yes exactly, it's for tagging dives. Times and locations only, nothing about what happens underwater. Edit: actually my computer does that too, well, the app does sort of: the app I have for capturing data from it takes the GPS location when you trigger a sync. Since I don't sync on the boat (why play with a phone?!) it's not very useful. You can easily edit though, drag a pin around and plop the rough location. MacD…

I use Dive Log[0] which I believe does the same thing, tags when it syncs. Suunto's app as well. I'll usually initiate a sync when I get back on the boat if only to fill in the additional details like island/country/buddy. I started doing it on my first post-OW class dives so it's nice to look back and see all the dives I've done, who I did them with, what equipment I used, etc.

[0]: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dive-log/id301049600

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by nradov »

Terretta wrote: post #128
raydiatian wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your dive computer craps out, it would certainly be an expensive backup

Costs less than a spare Garmin Descent MK1.

Costs more than a spare Garmin Descent G1 for $500 (with rebate).

https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/766516

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by nradov »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #122
camtarn wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering this as well. The article says "Apple Watch Ultra is certified to WR100 and EN 13319, an internationally recognized standard for dive accessories, including depth gauges." - people with domain knowledge, is this 'enough' certification?

WR is standard water resistance. EN 13319 may be sufficient, but I don't feel like buying the standard[0], to see. Usually, you want to get PADI and NAUI on board for these types of things, and I don't see either, mentioned anywhere in the press release. [0] https://standards.iteh.ai/catalog/standards/cen/5d35e933-ca5...

Dive training agencies like PADI and NAUI don't typically certify or endorse particular pieces of equipment such as dive computers. They sell instructional materials and supporting services to retail dive shops, which each deal in a mix of different equipment brands. So the agencies don't want to piss off their main customers by playing favorites with particular manufacturers.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by maerten »

maratc wrote: post #152

I have more than 500 dives under my weight belt, and I have a (regular) Apple watch, but I'm skeptical. First, there's no mention of Nitrox anywhere (except in a screenshot). Most of the serious folks use this mix (basically, air enriched with some more oxygen) for their dives, it's unclear if — or to what extent — this supports Nitrox. Second, there's no mention of the decompression algorithm they use. Buhlmann, Suu…

i just downloaded the app on iPhone and the dive planner allows you to change the gas mix (oxygen percentage) so it looks like it supports nitrox.

Re: The Oceanic+ app comes to Apple Watch Ultra

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Post by krugua »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #72
sfusato wrote: post #3

This is great for the scuba community as it will cause other brands to innovate and most importantly bring diving to a wider audience which will help the sport as a whole which will hopefully raise awareness about endangered underwater ecosystems in the long-run.

Will it? I doubt it, honestly. Huish, the makers of this app, own the majority of big names in the industry. The reason it’s called Oceanic + is because they own Oceanic. Along with Apollo, Bare, Ollis, Zeagle and a few others. Interestingly, they don’t believe enough in this app to brand it Suunto, their more current dive watch brand. My fear is the next Suunto watch will have subscriptions, if this app proves succe…

To my knowledge Suunto is owned by Anta Sports / Amer sports. Huish is the U.S. distributor for Suunto. Or did I miss something?
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