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Post by zaroth »

TreeRingCounter wrote: post #116
jupp0r wrote: post #6

Any HN scuba divers here that would use this as their only dive computer on a dive? I'm not a scuba diver myself but do engage in other adventure sports where reliable equipment can make the difference between a great trip and disaster. I'd be very reluctant to trust my life or health to this.

Absolutely not! Apple's hardware keeps getting better, but their software reliability has been quite bad over the last 10-ish years. A dive computer is a safety-critical machine - an apple watch is not suitable as a primary unit. Maybe if you're doing only very casual dives and you don't mind the risk of having to do an emergency surface, it is fine.

I’ve only done a half dozen dives, but losing the computer isn’t what I’d call an emergency.

You call the dive and surface slowly. Maybe you don’t do a second dive if you can’t be sure of your limits. It’s an inconvenience.

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Post by teddyh »

JohnBooty wrote: post #93
teddyh wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Rated to 100m” does not mean what you think it means. It means, essentially, that it theoretically would be safe at 100m depth, assuming you lower it slowly and don’t move it about at all . IIUC, local water pressure varies significantly when you move something around underwater, which is why “100m pressure proof” does not mean “can be brought down to 100m depth”.

IIUC, local water pressure varies significantly when you move something around underwater If Wikipedia can be trusted here, movement doesn't increase water pressure as much as we think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch#Water_resistance Movement induced dynamic pressure increase is sometimes the subject of urban myths and marketing arguments for diver's watches with high water resistance ratings. When a dive…

> If Wikipedia can be trusted here, movement doesn't increase water pressure as much as we think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_watch#Water_resistance

I stand corrected, but the same article also states:

“Water Resistant 100 m […] NOT suitable for diving.”

“Water Resistant 200 m [.] Suitable for skin diving only. NOT suitable for scuba diving.”

And, IIUC, WR100 is exactly what the Apple Watch Ultra has.

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Post by nradov »

scrumper wrote: post #12

Haptics you can feel through a 7mm wetsuit? I'm impressed by that, although I'd not want them turned up that high on my bare wrist! This seems like a winner for vacation diving. For those divers that manage a couple dives a year on the family trip to the Caribbean, you have a device you know extremely well from daily life and that you know you keep charged, rather than a standalone computer you kinda forgot to get se…

I have Garmin's competing product the Descent Mk2 and can feel the haptic alerts through a drysuit. Those alerts are probably helpful for less experienced divers but I disabled them (silent diving mode) to reduce distractions.

Optical wrist heart rate sensors can't read through an exposure suit. Garmin has chest heart rate monitor straps which can record heart rate during a dive (within depth limits) and then upload those to the dive computer upon surfacing. I don't think Apple supports those.

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Post by KerrAvon »

tyho wrote: post #96

I don't think this will be a useful dive computer for most people. When I first heard the Apple Watch would work as a dive computer I was very excited, but having spent some time thinking about it, and having done 20 dives since the watch was announced, I have changed my mind. The first problem is battery life. I didn't have to replace the battery on my computer for the 20 dives over a week I did recently. If I had g…

Apple Watch Ultra has 2-3 days of battery life on a full charge, and, IME, it really achieves that in real world use.

Nitrox: you can find the answer to this by searching the web. > Is the Oceanic+ app Nitrox compatible? > Yes. Oceanic+ is only compatible with air or Nitrox diving to 130 feet (40 meters).

If 40m is a dealbreaker, fine, although you probably would want to do some research to find out what the failure mode actually is. Does it just not work at that depth, but resumes working above it? Does the watch explode? Someone on YouTube probably can answer.

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Post by jitl »

izacus wrote: post #118
jitl wrote: post #53

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Regulators come in two stages; you carry a backup second stage for someone else if their system fails - but you don’t carry two first stages (the part that screws onto the tank).

We do carry two first stages, but mostly only in colder water when there's a chance the first stage would freeze (water under 15C or so?) :) You get air tanks that have 2 mounts for first stage and the octo goes into the separate first stage, giving you two independent setups. I've only seen crazy swiss people do that though.

Wow - I stand corrected. That's super interesting. I've done mostly tropical diving, preferably in a shortie. Maybe one day I'll get dry suit certified; but I didn't enjoy diving in Monterey CA in 10C/50F water in a thick wetsuit.

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Post by jitl »

tyho wrote: post #96

I don't think this will be a useful dive computer for most people. When I first heard the Apple Watch would work as a dive computer I was very excited, but having spent some time thinking about it, and having done 20 dives since the watch was announced, I have changed my mind. The first problem is battery life. I didn't have to replace the battery on my computer for the 20 dives over a week I did recently. If I had g…

I did 2-3 dives a day for 5 days with the Ultra, using the Depth app, not the full Oceanic+ app that was released today. I charged the watch every other day and didn't get below 40% battery life. I'm curious to see what happens past the 130ft limit... hopefully everything keeps working but they turn the screen yellow, which is what the Depth app does.

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Post by scarface74 »

mattigames wrote: post #138
scarface74 wrote: post #135

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It still doesn’t imply it’s a first party product. I can “introduce Angular to my team”. That doesn’t mean I wrote Angular.

"Google introduces Angular" does mean that (even if you didn't knew what Angular is beforehand)

It absolutely doesn’t. People have been “introducing” other people for centuries.

Where in any dictionary doesn’t imply any such thing?

So if a consultant from McKinsey “introduces cloud best practices to company $x”, does that imply that McKinsey created AWS?

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Post by scarface74 »

xdavidliu wrote: post #139
scarface74 wrote: post #89

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No part of the definition of “introduction” implies that it is a first party app.

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“Words Mean Things”. Tell me where in any dictionary does “introducing” something imply who created it?

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Post by mgkimsal »

scarface74 wrote: post #148
xdavidliu wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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“Words Mean Things”. Tell me where in any dictionary does “introducing” something imply who created it?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/introduce

to create... as if for the first time;

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Post by scarface74 »

mgkimsal wrote: post #149
scarface74 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Words Mean Things”. Tell me where in any dictionary does “introducing” something imply who created it?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/introduce to create... as if for the first time;

Out of the six definitions and you conveniently skip the first one:

> to present (a person) to another so as to make acquainted.

Which is exactly what Apple did in the submitted post.

Also if you look at the 2-4th definitions. The submitted title jibes directly with what Apple did.

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