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Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by rbanffy »

whatusername wrote: post #15
raganwald wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of what Charlton Heston said to Bill Maher. Charlton had taken out full page personal attack ads blasting Barbara Streisand for her anti-gun activism, and Bill Maher asked him if this was really appropriate. Charlton considered for a moment, and then responded. I was unkind , he admitted, Not unfair, but unkind. Now as to lame, is it there some factual error? Is Microsoft actually spending more on fixing…

If you look at Win7 as "Fixing Vista" --> which in some/lots of ways it is - then I'd guess that MS are spending more on "fixing" than on advertising.. Certainly nothing near that ratio though.. The reasonably insightful comment on reddit was that this isn't just a pissing contest between MS and Apple - it's a pissing contest between Crispin Porter and TBWA (the ad agencies)...

I seriously doubt it. They advertising budget is humongous.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by Jem »

rbanffy wrote: post #20
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #12

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You know, I'm starting to agree with you. I've had Vista since it came out and am completely happy with it. I thought the Apple commercials were cute, but off-base. They were funny, and they emphasized Mac good points, so I liked them. But now it just seems mean. Hell, computer commercials are getting like political commercials, and we've all had enough of that lately.

I am sure not a full-time Mac evangelist (I use Linux myself), but have you tried to use a Mac for a month or so? I was perfectly happy with Windows (XP then) when I decided to check the greener grass on the other side of the fence (Red Hat, first, then Debian, then Ubuntu) and I never thought about going back. Linux is so much more refined under the hood that more than compensates for the lack of software in several…

...and I had to use a Mac at work for 12 months and hated every minute of it.

For every person with a convert story to the Mac, there's another person who is quite happy to stick with Windows. I'm not sure why so many people consider the prospect so crazy.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by rbanffy »

Jem wrote: post #25
rbanffy wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure not a full-time Mac evangelist (I use Linux myself), but have you tried to use a Mac for a month or so? I was perfectly happy with Windows (XP then) when I decided to check the greener grass on the other side of the fence (Red Hat, first, then Debian, then Ubuntu) and I never thought about going back. Linux is so much more refined under the hood that more than compensates for the lack of software in several…

...and I had to use a Mac at work for 12 months and hated every minute of it. For every person with a convert story to the Mac, there's another person who is quite happy to stick with Windows. I'm not sure why so many people consider the prospect so crazy.

Can you be more specific on why you hated every minute of it?

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by Xichekolas »

schapman wrote: post #19
Xichekolas wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, at some point I'd like to see Linus walk through one of those ads and just slap them both on the back of head and call them morons...

"Who's Linus?" (I know who he is, just illustrating the market reaction to such an event.)

I think that would be half the fun...

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by mixmax »

sjh wrote: post #10
mixmax wrote: post #7

Now if apple would only realise that quicktime on the net has lost out to flash I would be able to wacth this. Quicktime reminds me of realplayer: buggy on PC's, runs lots of processes in the background I didn't ask for and requires me to install itunes which I don't want.

"Slimming down the bloated iTunes 8 installer": http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=554

Thanks for the link, but my point was more that Apple should really watch their step here. They're creating a crappy product that pushes stuff you didn't ask for to potential buyers. And it inflicts heavy damage on their otherwise good reputation.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by raganwald »

whatusername wrote: post #15
raganwald wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of what Charlton Heston said to Bill Maher. Charlton had taken out full page personal attack ads blasting Barbara Streisand for her anti-gun activism, and Bill Maher asked him if this was really appropriate. Charlton considered for a moment, and then responded. I was unkind , he admitted, Not unfair, but unkind. Now as to lame, is it there some factual error? Is Microsoft actually spending more on fixing…

If you look at Win7 as "Fixing Vista" --> which in some/lots of ways it is - then I'd guess that MS are spending more on "fixing" than on advertising.. Certainly nothing near that ratio though.. The reasonably insightful comment on reddit was that this isn't just a pissing contest between MS and Apple - it's a pissing contest between Crispin Porter and TBWA (the ad agencies)...

If you look at Win7 as "Fixing Vista" --> which in some/lots of ways it is - then I'd guess that MS are spending more on "fixing" than on advertising

I considered that argument, but note that they are still pushing Vista to consumers and businesses, hard. So I think the ad is fair in that it discusses what MSFT is doing to Vista itself.

If MSFT's $300 million was spent telling consumers to hang onto XP and wait for Windows 7, that argument would be a little more persuasive.

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