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Interesting that the url within the parentheses isn't recognized. EDIT - actually, none of the urls are recognized as links.

If they were, it would be trivial to get HN readers to click malicious links.

If HN readers can't be trained not to click malicious links, then no one can xD

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It seems 2020-2022 was boom for tech industry. Now the rate is going backing to pre-2020 which shows it was already in decline! That is quite surprising.

Judging by this chart 2015-2020 and 2020-2022 were both booms. We are now at 2015 and 2020 levels and might go lower.

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Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

I made well over 100 applications last April - May; as a grad student close to their master's at a top EU University. I had more success from FAANG companies than startups. I eventually landed a very low paying job at a fintech startup but they had financial issues. Come mid july I found myself interviewing for a FAANG company, and today I passed probation period.

The fact that I was good enough for a FAANG company, but unhirable to almost everyone else is a bit beyond me.

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> for most people you only need to find one job for your job search to be over. This is interesting as it relates to price rather than ability to find a job. Things would have to change dramatically to reach a point where someone won't pay you minimum wage to do tech work, but as difficulty in fulfilling positions declines the need to pay extraordinary and increasing salaries will decline in kind. This does give a go…

I'm someone who is indeed struggling to find a job, and in my case salary has little to do with it since so far I've been filtered before that's been an issue. There's actually no way to compete on price even if I wanted to, since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I understand the market is very different if you have a great resume and everything i…

> since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal.

I'm not sure that's the right perspective. It's true that offering Google a chance to hire you for minimum wage isn't going to win you a seat. But most potential employers aren't putting themselves in front of the market because they believe nobody out there will work for less than a healthy six figures (or whatever).

I walk down the street of a small town and see endless businesses who understand where they could improve their business with tech, but also know they'd be bankrupted in a matter of days if they had to pay FAANG-level salaries. They don't even bother trying to hire tech talent. At $7.25 per hour, however, now you've got their interest.

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I think it's hard to gauge who's actually hiring by reading HN "Who's Hiring?" posts or looking at job boards. I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts without actually finding/hiring people. Or they keep interviewing but never commit. Like a fisherman with bait always in the water, never reeling anyone in. The posts should really be renamed to "Ask HN: Who's Interviewing?" or "Ask HN: Who's Fishing?"

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post #10

Hiring has slowed to a crawl, and the hardest hit appear to be junior/low level devs not going into the startup space. I'm seeing a lot of hiring for senior positions. I'm getting more, not fewer emails for interviews as a CTO. Meanwhile, it seems like unless a new grad is headed to a FAANG they are not finding jobs the way they were a year ago. This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled u…

> This is how things started in 2007, anecdotally. The ladder got pulled up earlier in the year, and then right around the holiday season everything fell apart. It took a good 2-3 years for everything to recover, but in that time salaries were down roughly 20-30%. Yes. It really sucks for new graduates and entry-level because all of a sudden you are competing with people with years of experience for the same salary a…

I wasn't entry-level at the time but I was somewhat shifting roles when dot-com deflated. I was fortunately able to land a new and, in many ways better, position quickly but compensation definitely took a hit over the next number of years. Everything worked out in the end as it ended up being the on-ramp for a good position (and another role change). But it wouldn't have been an ideal situation for at least some.

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I think it's hard to gauge who's actually hiring by reading HN "Who's Hiring?" posts or looking at job boards. I think a lot of companies maintain longstanding job posts without actually finding/hiring people. Or they keep interviewing but never commit. Like a fisherman with bait always in the water, never reeling anyone in. The posts should really be renamed to "Ask HN: Who's Interviewing?" or "Ask HN: Who's Fishing…

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Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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If they were, it would be trivial to get HN readers to click malicious links.

If HN readers can't be trained not to click malicious links, then no one can xD

I think it is not just readers of HN. Do search engines read urls (unlinked ones) to build their index? Cause then it will be very easy for spammers to post links & take advantage of HN's high rating.

Re: HN Who is hiring job posts over time

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I'm someone who is indeed struggling to find a job, and in my case salary has little to do with it since so far I've been filtered before that's been an issue. There's actually no way to compete on price even if I wanted to, since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I understand the market is very different if you have a great resume and everything i…

> since employers are looking for luxury goods and offering to work for very cheap would send the wrong signal. I'm not sure that's the right perspective. It's true that offering Google a chance to hire you for minimum wage isn't going to win you a seat. But most potential employers aren't putting themselves in front of the market because they believe nobody out there will work for less than a healthy six figures (or…

I'm not sure what you're arguing exactly but the tech market of literally walking down the street and offering to help random businesses for $7.25 an hour is so far from HN hiring, or really any salaried tech hiring, that I'm not sure why you bring it up.

Most tech employers who make job posts might be happy if you suggest a salary near the bottom of the range they've already decided for the position, but will absolutely take it as a negative if you come in far below their range, especially if it's clear you're doing that because you're desperate.

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