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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by leereeves »

DriftRegion wrote: post #154
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

Here's a recent commentary from a WeChat group (translated via deepl): > The current situation is that Western water forces, through insidious and poisonous means such as the Internet, have created a very dangerous atmosphere of public opinion and incited the people to rebellion. If we are deceived and held hostage by these rumors, what China will end up with will only be a disaster. We have to believe that the count…

What does "Western water forces" mean? Is that a Chinese idiom?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

laputan_machine wrote: post #242
burnte wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Minority Oversight Staff" AKA the senate republicans. Sorry, they're not a credible source on anything scientific. This makes me think it was a natural accident even more, frankly.

Thanks, this is the kind of information I'm after. So, the Senate is not a trustworthy source of information? I'm not clued up on US politics so I really have no idea how the system works, upper/lower houses, senate is lower? Like the house of commons in the UK? e.g. could an analogy be this is like a small party of Brexiteers making a document on how leaving the EU is economically a sound idea? There is no requireme…

> the Senate is not a trustworthy source of information?

A partisan report, in the U.S., is not a credible source. There is simply no culture of intellectual rigour in partisan debate. (The Senate has nonpartisan research arms which are highly credible.)

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Post by danskeren »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #231
danskeren wrote: post #226

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Everybody, including you, have an agenda. China Insights is great because they always provide video evidence and high quality references (such as official government documents). The fact that China Insights in the video claimed that the media blurred the audience outside the live broadcast (which again was backed up by video evidence) is a testament to the high quality and factual accuracy of their reporting.

Do you think the screenshots I posted above are from live broadcast days ago or VOD I just played?

I assume they're from an unedited VOD of the live broadcast, whereas the ones with the censored audience appear to be the state media's edited highlight clips that they shared on social media.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by nashashmi »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #238
DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

> saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation Is there any evidence this is about masks versus gatherings? > the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic The U.S. would go to war with China if it invaded Taiwan, conventions or not. (I also believe the relevant text is with respect to medical personnel, not a general prohibition on armed…

The US would not go to war and attack china over Taiwan. MAYBE They will fund Taiwan to attack. Maybe they will just put their troops there. And not fight. But they won’t go to war.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by yw3410 »

leereeves wrote: post #251
DriftRegion wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a recent commentary from a WeChat group (translated via deepl): > The current situation is that Western water forces, through insidious and poisonous means such as the Internet, have created a very dangerous atmosphere of public opinion and incited the people to rebellion. If we are deceived and held hostage by these rumors, what China will end up with will only be a disaster. We have to believe that the count…

What does "Western water forces" mean? Is that a Chinese idiom?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

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Post by cmeacham98 »

wikfwikf wrote: post #123
kibwen wrote: post #40

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No surprise, the new CEO fired the team responsible for detecting and taking down bot accounts. Previously these teams were taking down 500,000 bot accounts every day, which suggests that Twitter might be accumulating 3.5M bot accounts every week.

That seems like an over-estimate. Presumably if you stop taking bots down, they do not re-appear as fast?

In my experience bot-busting on other (admittedly smaller) platforms, it's almost certainly very skewed towards new accounts. I would estimate accounts less than one week old accounts make up 80+% of that number.

That said, I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that because Twitter fired that team their bot-busting capability instantly dropped from 500k/day to zero/day. The code they wrote and the work they did still exists.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #227
smcl wrote: post #164

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I don't know if it's correct to call China a "dictatorship" but I'll humour you for a moment. The idea that dictatorships have everything under control and can conduct themselves however they please is true ... until the point that it isn't. So while a dictator technically doesn't necessarily need to justify themselves or to have a reasonable, fair plan for some given situation that pleases their subjects - they prob…

I am reasonably certain that a country well known for sending in the troops to crush rebellion would count as a dictatorship.

> reasonably certain that a country well known for sending in the troops to crush rebellion would count as a dictatorship

Authoritarian. China has been authoritarian for a long time. It only recently became a dictatorship, which is an inherently unstable form of government.

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Post by robjan »

leereeves wrote: post #251
DriftRegion wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a recent commentary from a WeChat group (translated via deepl): > The current situation is that Western water forces, through insidious and poisonous means such as the Internet, have created a very dangerous atmosphere of public opinion and incited the people to rebellion. If we are deceived and held hostage by these rumors, what China will end up with will only be a disaster. We have to believe that the count…

What does "Western water forces" mean? Is that a Chinese idiom?

It's a bad translation of 水軍 which is short for 網絡水軍 (astroturfers)

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by wholinator2 »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #178
ctvo wrote: post #150

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Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?

You don't need to be in China to dubunk those. You just need to do some independant research easily, say by visiting the CCTV video site. Knowing some Chinese helps, but it won't stop anyone who is determined to find the truth.

Well a sibling comment asked for evidence, was provided with screenshots of the first game, such believably was not censored. Were you to provide screenshots or preferably a video link of the most recent game, or those featured in the Twitter thread, you would totally convince me and probably everyone else.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by Markoff »

DriftRegion wrote: post #143

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet: - It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers - It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers - It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码” - It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance…

well, at least bunch of them are right - there are lot of people making money in testing & quarantine business, it IS failure of bureaucracy, it IS increasing state surveilance through mandatory health codes and location tracking, it IS used to lock people at home or disperse previous protests by switching health codes to red to lock people at home (not so sure about helping to increase birth rate)

disagree only with last two

I don't think most Chinese care that much about state surveilance with WeChat already in their phone anyway, but first two money making scams are definitely spot on, which is why they are also often mentioned. It was not different in west with testing centres and vaccination business, especially VDL exchanging private messages with Pfizer CEO how to defraud EU citizens for billions of euros on useless vaccines almost nobody healthy wanted voluntarily (unless they fell for nonsense that it somehow stop/lower transmission rate fake news).

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