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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by albertopv »

DoneWithAllThat wrote: post #18
albertopv wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese people would see no one with masks, so they could question their government policy.

While I’ve no doubt of the post’s veracity, your comment isn’t accurate. Mask wearing isn’t common in a lot of China specifically because of their zero covid policy. Either there’s no positive tests in your area so there’s no reason to wear masks, or there are positive tests and everyone’s locked inside their homes. It varies though. I watch a lot of Chinese city walking videos and for example in Beijing lots of peop…

Maybe it's about public crowds, the point is chinese people could question their government policies. It's all about power, nothing else.

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Post by thworp »

jahnu wrote: post #70
rippercushions wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

It's really bad, only 65% of 80+ are vaccinated [1] As you mentioned their own vaccine is not very effective but they have also approved no foreign vaccines yet [2] They have far too few ICU beds to manage the surge if restrictions are dropped to, say, average EU levels [3] They seem to be trapped [1] https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202211/22/WS637c2416a3104917... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/25/c…

Let's just assume that the effect of "restrictions" on case numbers is proportional to their harshness (which looks dubious when looking at global stats). Let's also blindly trust the Chinese numbers (which showed You're still here justifying current deaths from starvation, fires, suicides with potential future deaths to covid. If an individual thinks like this they're a sociopath, but if governments do it they are "trapped".

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by DriftRegion »

Yeah. When people in mainland China saw all the unmasked foreigners at The World Cup it spawned a lot of ideation. I'll summarize the ideas I've seen floating around the Chinese internet:

- It's a money-making scam by the COVID test manufacturers

- It's a money-making scam by the temporary quarantine center manufacturers

- It's a failure of bureaucracy ”层层加码”

- It's a ploy to increase the depth of state surveillance

- It's a ploy to lock people at home and increase the birth rate

- It's a ploy to keep the poor poor to ensure that they keep working hard

- It's to mitigate war with the United States. Apparently the Geneva convention has a clause against going to war with a nation stricken by a pandemic.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by winReInstall »

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

Its another social control tool. Get near protests and your covid code gets red. Problem is, it works like a chain reaction, galvanizing protests. Paranoia killed the beast.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by [deleted] »

rhaway84773 wrote: post #38
yreg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the option would be to make the vaccination mandatory. CCP doesn't like to do unpopular things, but the lockdowns are not popular either.

China also requires everyone to have an app which gives you a color coded status based on the results of COVID tests taken by you and by those in your family and neighborhood, which defines what activities you’re allowed to engage in and what areas you’re allowed to access. Basing that off vaccination status would be far more palatable and would be far less disruptive.

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by rippercushions »

chrisbaker98 wrote: post #71
rhaway84773 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China also requires everyone to have an app which gives you a color coded status based on the results of COVID tests taken by you and by those in your family and neighborhood, which defines what activities you’re allowed to engage in and what areas you’re allowed to access. Basing that off vaccination status would be far more palatable and would be far less disruptive.

And to the surprise of no-one, this system has also been used to control the movements of political dissenters for reasons that have nothing to do with COVID: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-bank-protest-stopp... Anyone who doesn't think that western vaxpass systems could be coopted for similar ends is horrifyingly naive.

Except that the Western vaxpass systems have all been wound down.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by WiSaGaN »

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by yonaguska »

hanoz wrote: post #19

What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

Or, more likely in my opinion, they're having issues keeping people under control with the economic downturn, and covid lockdowns are the tool they're using to quash dissent. Seems like an irrational strategy, but totalitarian regimes often become victims to their own lies.

The USSR showed us that enforcing lies on your own people eventually leads to bizarre, irrational behavior from the government when it tries to operate within a fake framework of lies.

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by spoiler »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #147

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

There are multiple examples from different Tweet authors confirming that crowds aren't being shown. Can you post anything (other than unfunded claims) to refute these?

Edit: my comment can come of as aggressive, but I'm genuinely curious, didn't mean to attack you

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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Post by ctvo »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #147

This is such a ridiculous claim and also extremely easy to debunk if you have any friends in China they will show you immediately this is false. Yet not a single one comment mentions it. Goes to show the level of discourse happen in the west about anything china related.

Are you saying this is false and crowd shots are still shown? Are you in China right now?
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