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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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I'm not sure I understand. How does "lab-leak vs non-lab-leak" relate to this?

If it's a lab-leak it means the virus was potentially well studied before the leak, and it's effects known. Therefore the government could know a lot more about it than they claim.

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

Not just that, how many people in US already had covid and how many did in China?

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Chinese people would see no one with masks, so they could question their government policy.

While I’ve no doubt of the post’s veracity, your comment isn’t accurate. Mask wearing isn’t common in a lot of China specifically because of their zero covid policy. Either there’s no positive tests in your area so there’s no reason to wear masks, or there are positive tests and everyone’s locked inside their homes. It varies though. I watch a lot of Chinese city walking videos and for example in Beijing lots of peop…

I can only offer conjecture, but: maybe stadium visits are different from daily outdoors life, in the eyes of China's government? Also in some countries in Europe such events are still an exception to the generally no-mask-required policies.

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What is going on with China's continuing zero-covid policy? Either it's the most expensive face saving exercise the world has ever seen, or they know something about it that we don't.

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Okay, so we should just stay locked in our houses for the rest of our lives?

Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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While I’ve no doubt of the post’s veracity, your comment isn’t accurate. Mask wearing isn’t common in a lot of China specifically because of their zero covid policy. Either there’s no positive tests in your area so there’s no reason to wear masks, or there are positive tests and everyone’s locked inside their homes. It varies though. I watch a lot of Chinese city walking videos and for example in Beijing lots of peop…

Might not be 100% accurate but the BBC are reporting that it is due to the lack of mask wearing

I suspect it's lazy reporting on the BBC's part. Mask-wearing has been the trigger point for so long in the west that's it's the default explanation. Whereas in China, the trigger point is still assembly (which is where the west was 2 years ago).

What Chinese leadership knows is that masks are nigh-on worthless for Omicron (I've seen numbers as low as 30% efficacy for N95 and basically no efficacy for cloth and surgical vs omicron) and that the only way to control it (without high prior infection rates and/or better vaccines - neither of which they have) is physical separation.

Another issue is that Omicron isn't actually much less severe than previous strains on its own - it's just that in most areas there are effective vaccines and basically everyone has gotten covid before, so it's effectively less severe. But at the same time, it's way more transmissible than previous variants (like ~10x so). So China's put itself in a bad situation. If it lets loose, Covid goes wild and their healthcare system is crushed because there's basically no immunity against the world's most transmissible virus. Everyone will get it pretty much at the exact same time and 10-20m people will die with little to no healthcare within the span of a month or so. Or they keep locking down in perpetuity until something changes (they get a better vaccine? they do a controlled burn? the virus gets a lot weaker? revolution?).

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China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

Not just that, how many people in US already had covid and how many did in China?

You can get it more than once, though.

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What is the CCP’s exit strategy? Could they feasibly claim to have eradicated covid?

I see two options: 1. Figure out a working vaccine of their own (or maybe just license and rebrand a western one) 2. Become increasingly authoritarian - like a high-tech North Korea

3. Xi gets overthrown, takes the blame for the covid hysteria, new power is installed in China.

I have no idea how likely or realistic that is, but seems like an option too.

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

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Re: China state CCTV avoids crowd close ups at the World Cup

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The problem is that once they lift it up / fail to contain an outbreak, it will be a devastating one since their population isn't immunized.

China has a 87% COVID vaccination rate, which is higher than the US (79%). However, the Chinese-made vaccines are not very effective, and many of the unvaccinated are elderly. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronaviru... vaccination-rate/

It's really bad, only 65% of 80+ are vaccinated [1]

As you mentioned their own vaccine is not very effective but they have also approved no foreign vaccines yet [2]

They have far too few ICU beds to manage the surge if restrictions are dropped to, say, average EU levels [3]

They seem to be trapped

[1] https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202211/22/WS637c2416a3104917... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/25/china-covid-... [3] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/icu-beds-...

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