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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by flumpcakes »

While I have no doubt than basically anything from China is probably backdoored (and to the fault of western countries outsourcing manufacturing for cheap labour), what exactly has Huawei done?

How do we know that the Cisco equipment also isn't backdoored and if I send a few malformed TCP packets it opens up its control plane on the receiving port?

Compared to the last few decades, it seems like a strong hand banning these companies. Personally I would like all electronics and products to be made in countries that respect some level of human rights I am comfortable with, but that doesn't really seem like an option currently.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by scottcodie »

phpisthebest wrote: post #25
nimbius wrote: post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

>lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift This has no impact on sales to the consumer market for Video, the covered list [1] limits the ban to "the extent it is used for the purpose of public safety, security of government facilities" Ring, Nest etc are used for personal home and small business not likely covered under that ban, and the people buying Hikvision as an example most likely are…

"The action we take today covers base station equipment that goes into our networks. It covers phones, cameras, and WiFi routers that go into our homes. And it covers rebranded or ‘white label’ equipment that is developed for the marketplace. In other words, this approach is comprehensive," said Jessica Rosenworcel, chair of the FCC.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by theGnuMe »

markles wrote: post #78
reversethread wrote: post #8

In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

Maybe someone should crack down on Amazon for allowing these sales to continue seemingly unabated.

It’ll happen.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by scottcodie »

roperj wrote: post #50
nimbius wrote: post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

This might make some sense if you knew what the hell you were talking about, but Hikvision and Dahua are not at all in the same market segments as Nest and Ring - and this does not apply to the consumer market.

The consumer market ban happens when the FCC refuses to certify any new devices so they are not eligible for import for the US consumer market.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by joemazerino »

flumpcakes wrote: post #81

While I have no doubt than basically anything from China is probably backdoored (and to the fault of western countries outsourcing manufacturing for cheap labour), what exactly has Huawei done? How do we know that the Cisco equipment also isn't backdoored and if I send a few malformed TCP packets it opens up its control plane on the receiving port? Compared to the last few decades, it seems like a strong hand banning…

Look up Nortel.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

shukantpal wrote: post #73
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with process for turning source to binary, you need to trust compiler, cpu, flashing hardware and software and the whole lot of other things. "We should not solve this solvable problem because other problems exist" is false. Meanwhile the other problems have solutions, like reproducible builds, so that the attacker not only has to compromise your compiler/CPU/hardware, they also have to compromise any others the ou…

> "We should not solve this solvable problem because other problems exist" is false. Without commenting on the truthiness of the comment you are replying to, you have constructed a strawman argument here. They weren't saying that the problem shouldn't be solved because other problems exist, rather that it might not be solvable b/c of so and so obstacles that don't seem to have a solution.

The more accurate statement would be "we should not apply this silution because it only solves 60% of the problem. Instead we should despair abd do nothing at all"

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by reaperducer »

flumpcakes wrote: post #81

While I have no doubt than basically anything from China is probably backdoored (and to the fault of western countries outsourcing manufacturing for cheap labour), what exactly has Huawei done? How do we know that the Cisco equipment also isn't backdoored and if I send a few malformed TCP packets it opens up its control plane on the receiving port? Compared to the last few decades, it seems like a strong hand banning…

Your argument sounds like deflection and elementary school logic.

If Cisco has problems, that should also be dealt with.

But because Cisco has problems doesn't mean that Huawei shouldn't be dealt with.

In Western cultures, we have the notion of "Two wrongs don't make a right."

This is a classic Chinese government talking point. "Don't look at what we're doing. Look over there, instead!"

For decades it's been using the same tactic when anyone criticizes China for trade imbalances and human rights abuses. It's really boring and base at this point.

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Post by blindriver »

flumpcakes wrote: post #81

While I have no doubt than basically anything from China is probably backdoored (and to the fault of western countries outsourcing manufacturing for cheap labour), what exactly has Huawei done? How do we know that the Cisco equipment also isn't backdoored and if I send a few malformed TCP packets it opens up its control plane on the receiving port? Compared to the last few decades, it seems like a strong hand banning…

Huawei singlehandedly destroyed Canada's Nortel Networks through espionage and sabotage.

The CIA did an analysis and discovered that Huawei was dumping wireless equipment to small wireless providers in areas around US military basis at a loss. At the very least, the ability to disrupt communication of those military bases were easily achievable.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #54
nimbius wrote: post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

> the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift How does that logically follow? Can billion dollar companies not be security threats? > the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their cellphones all meet or exceed…

Well he is right in that Huawei source code has been reviwed by Uk gov, and they found nothing. The accusations do appear to be based on nothing at this time.

I would like tonsee rigorous benchmarks for vode quality and trustworthyness, not arbitrary and whinsical political decision-making

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by catlifeonmars »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #75
phpisthebest wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rather Amazon focus on elimination of Counterfeits and Fraud, not enforcement of FCC protectionism

I'd rather live in a society where businesses follow the law - and if the laws don't make sense - we change them.

That latter part is the one that breaks down in practice.
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