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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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post #11

About time. We need open and verifiable firmware, at the very least, to be able to trust anything. Now if only they'd turn this lens on American-made devices which are likewise opaque, insecure, and likely to be weaponized against us as soon as security updates stop....

> We need open and verifiable firmware, at the very least, to be able to trust anything. How? Even ignoring ASICs, I just don't see how it's possible. Even if you had no binary blobs anywhere (we are already in the wonderland), with process for turning source to binary, you need to trust compiler, cpu, flashing hardware and software and the whole lot of other things. And that's all ignoring the fact that hiding bad s…

> I don't think we have even a theoretical plan for fixing computer security.

I think we do, but the implications of it are terrifying, overwhelming and just make people shrug and say "That'll never happen".

How I see it there are two sides.

Those who want a functioning technological society with all the benefits we believe in as hackers - transport, medicine, communications, planning... For that we'll have no choice but to make computers secure.

That side is "society".

In the other corner are those who do not want computers to be secure (despite what they say). They benefit from insecurity. These are;

  - Criminals.

  - Governments.

  - Industry.
 
They are not aligned and fight amongst themselves. Only the criminals are honest in that they don't pretend to want secure computing. Governments and industry want secure computing for themselves, but not for the others, or for society.

For secure computing to ever happen three well organised, well funded and determined groups would have to lose against a disorganised, distributed, and poor remainder.

There are two things on our side to give us hope;

- That the enemy of my enemy is a temporary friend.

- Mathematics.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#52
post #40

Is it just me, or does the full "report and order" spend way, way too much time responding to the comments of various telecom companies and trade groups? The tone seems far too deferential, as if they're apologizing to the industry they're trying to regulate.

in most cases, regulation in the US is basically a mouse trying to "regulate" the dinner of a lion by sneaking away a morsel or two

More like protecting the lions dinner from other mice.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#53

In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

I would rather Amazon focus on elimination of Counterfeits and Fraud, not enforcement of FCC protectionism

well, yes and no. Amazon most definitely has a counterfeit/stolen goods problem that they are deliberately (from outside perspectives) not doing anything about. however, if a "legit" vendor is selling devices that does not meet local regulations and it is known by the seller this is true, then the seller has blame as well.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#54
post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

> the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift

How does that logically follow? Can billion dollar companies not be security threats?

> the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their cellphones all meet or exceed the build quality of a samsung or iphone and to date america has failed to produce any real evidence of a security issue except 'china scary.'

No one and not even Huawei believes that.

By your logic, you admit China has banned all these US websites as they are afraid of competition and not any other reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#55

In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

Perhaps another approach is FCC enforcement against Amazon.

at some point, knowingly selling banned equipment should bring down some form of punishment to be sure. it just seems that the gov't is scarred of public outcry for going after amazon and its ilk. it's like they don't want to spill the apple cart when the apple market is in "turmoil"?

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If not intentional, it at least points to a culture that cannot be trusted with producing secure devices.

Does it though? Are you a SWE?

Given the number of times that a hard-coded password has been distributed on Cisco gear, yeah, I think it points to a cultural failure.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps another approach is FCC enforcement against Amazon.

at some point, knowingly selling banned equipment should bring down some form of punishment to be sure. it just seems that the gov't is scarred of public outcry for going after amazon and its ilk. it's like they don't want to spill the apple cart when the apple market is in "turmoil"?

Not to mention Amazon's lobbying efforts.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at some point, knowingly selling banned equipment should bring down some form of punishment to be sure. it just seems that the gov't is scarred of public outcry for going after amazon and its ilk. it's like they don't want to spill the apple cart when the apple market is in "turmoil"?

Not to mention Amazon's lobbying efforts.

didn't even consider Amazon actively trying to protect their front like that, but of course they would.

i still weep for the Citizens United decision

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

#60

In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

I would rather Amazon focus on elimination of Counterfeits and Fraud, not enforcement of FCC protectionism

Why does this have to be either/or?
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