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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Based on the actual news release[1], this is the FCC's formal statement of rules for compliance with the Secure Equipment Act of 2021[2]. [1]: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf [2]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3919

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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About time. We need open and verifiable firmware, at the very least, to be able to trust anything. Now if only they'd turn this lens on American-made devices which are likewise opaque, insecure, and likely to be weaponized against us as soon as security updates stop....

> We need open and verifiable firmware, at the very least, to be able to trust anything. How? Even ignoring ASICs, I just don't see how it's possible. Even if you had no binary blobs anywhere (we are already in the wonderland), with process for turning source to binary, you need to trust compiler, cpu, flashing hardware and software and the whole lot of other things. And that's all ignoring the fact that hiding bad s…

You need deterministic builds of firmware artifacts proven to correspond to source code by multiple parties. You also need hardware purpose made to be user auditable.

See: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-10690-open_source_is_insufficien...

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

> has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g

Serious question, have the the likes of Ericsson and Nokia managed to catch up with Huawei when it comes to 5G telco equipment?

Last I dived into this was about 2-3 years ago, when that Huawei executive got arrested in Canada or some such, and if I remember right the discourse back then was that Huawei's 5G equipment was both cheaper and better compared to what the Western companies were able to provide at the time.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

> "government owned" also gets condescendingly asserted as if the reader isnt familiar with how a planned economy under post soviet marxist theory works.

Most readers of the article can be fairly assumed to know this. Most consumers (including b2b) outside of various tech and policy circles cannot, and the policy is aimed at short circuiting the banned functionally SOE’s from embedding themselves into the communications infrastructure. Gathering intelligence from automotive and aerospace dominance yields substantially less actionable information than from dominance of communications infrastructure.

The subsidies you are comparing are fundamentally, qualitatively different.

It isn’t just the FCC. The entire US government at all levels down to local is captured by corporate business interests. Doesn’t mean every policy decision solely caters to those interests and ignore national defense interests. Also doesn’t mean the US intelligence apparatus isn’t in bed with Western communications technology manufacturers.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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In reality, Chinese manufactures will just ignore FCC licensing requirements. A good amount of cheap Chinese electronics on Amazon are already unlicensed, so I doubt any new changes will affect them. Online marketplaces like Amazon really need to crack down on products and make sure they are properly licensed.

Perhaps another approach is FCC enforcement against Amazon.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Based on the actual news release[1], this is the FCC's formal statement of rules for compliance with the Secure Equipment Act of 2021[2]. [1]: https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-389524A1.pdf [2]: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3919

Thanks for connecting the dots, I was doing this research before I found your comment. I knew I had searched for covered telecom equipment last year. Also, I didn't know the covered list was being updated. Does anyone know what AO Kaspersky is? Is that the official corporate name for the anti-virus Kaspersky?

Yeah, I believe it's their corporate name. Their website lists their copyright as "AO Kaspersky Lab."

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Is it just me, or does the full "report and order" spend way, way too much time responding to the comments of various telecom companies and trade groups? The tone seems far too deferential, as if they're apologizing to the industry they're trying to regulate.

in most cases, regulation in the US is basically a mouse trying to "regulate" the dinner of a lion by sneaking away a morsel or two
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