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FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by chefandy »

readme wrote: post #40
jasonhansel wrote: post #17

Is it just me, or does the full "report and order" spend way, way too much time responding to the comments of various telecom companies and trade groups? The tone seems far too deferential, as if they're apologizing to the industry they're trying to regulate.

in most cases, regulation in the US is basically a mouse trying to "regulate" the dinner of a lion by sneaking away a morsel or two

Or, depending on the leadership, a lion overseeing prey protection policy.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by fnordpiglet »

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The Covered List (which lists both equipment and services) currently includes communications equipment produced by Huawei Technologies, ZTE Corporation, Hytera Communications, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology, and Dahua Technology (and their subsidiaries and affiliates).

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Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by mynameisvlad »

enkid wrote: post #23
TechBro8615 wrote: post #18

This definitely won't be abused. Is Starlink a national security threat? What about a hardware wallet?

Does a hardware wallet actually need FCC authorization?

Ledger wallets connect to your phone over Bluetooth, so they would ostensibly need the FCC to ok them.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by UberFly »

nimbius wrote: post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

Not saying there isn't lobbying efforts underway, but trying to limit Chinese-based video and audio equipment that's unaccountable to US laws or oversite from government locations seems like a reasonable thing to do. Dahua and Hikvision have a long history of backdoors. Many of these things chat like crazy to servers in China if not firewalled properly.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by runlevel1 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #42

“”” The Covered List (which lists both equipment and services) currently includes communications equipment produced by Huawei Technologies, ZTE Corporation, Hytera Communications, Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology, and Dahua Technology (and their subsidiaries and affiliates). “””

Link to the list: https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by cplusplusfellow »

chefandy wrote: post #41
readme wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in most cases, regulation in the US is basically a mouse trying to "regulate" the dinner of a lion by sneaking away a morsel or two

Or, depending on the leadership, a lion overseeing prey protection policy.

No post body was provided.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by fbdab103 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #24
sschueller wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See CVE: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list.php?vendor_id=... At some point you have to think these are deliberate.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All I see are a lot of CVEs.

If not intentional, it at least points to a culture that cannot be trusted with producing secure devices.

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by freshpots »

fbdab103 wrote: post #47
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All I see are a lot of CVEs.

If not intentional, it at least points to a culture that cannot be trusted with producing secure devices.

Does it though? Are you a SWE?

Re: FCC Bans Authorizations for Devices That Pose National Security Threat

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Post by roperj »

nimbius wrote: post #19

the video surveillance bans all seem to target billion dollar companies, so its safe to say this is just your friendly lobbyists at ring, nest, and amazon getting an early christmas gift. the security argument is pretty flimsy considering how many american companies are just as bad (looking at you nest) the usual suspect, huawei, has been on americas shitlist ever since they beat US telcos to market with 5g. their ce…

This might make some sense if you knew what the hell you were talking about, but Hikvision and Dahua are not at all in the same market segments as Nest and Ring - and this does not apply to the consumer market.
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