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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by anon291 »

skorpeon87 wrote: post #63
anon291 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Letting Europeans deal with Europe was the stance for all of American history until WWII.

A lot of Americans are American because their European ancestors got sick of European affairs and wanted a clean break from it. Nonetheless, a lot of the anti-interventionist rhetoric seen on the net today feels very astroturfed. Anybody accusing NATO of warmongering is safe to write off as a Russian-aligned troll, considering Russia is the one who actually invaded a foreign country. NATO's "war mongering" amounts to…

I'm not European descended and could care less about what those people think of their home countries. My parents and family gave up ours when they came to this country and became citizens. I recommend those of European ancestry do so too.

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Post by ABeeSea »

throwaway4good wrote: post #159
chitowneats wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How expensive do you think it would be allowing an entity infamous for intellectual property theft, to have unfettered access to the teleco networks of the countries that they themselves say are their greatest enemies? Yes, imported Russian nat gas is way cheaper. Until it isn't.

First I don't really think your premise is correct and second we are capable of keeping our networks secure even if a cable or a base station is made by a Chinese company.

Why do you think the premise is incorrect?

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Post by selectodude »

saiya-jin wrote: post #148
chitowneats wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely them vs. us. We can choose to respond to their provocations or not, but they will continue them. The more the techno-libertarian crowd denies this, the more irrelevant you become.

One can argue that PRISM was in place long before China was doing anything real. So US and allies set the tone of this global topic decades ago. China decided they will go their own way, because they could. This is all just a theatre as mentioned, long term planned escalation with some form of conflict inevitable. Not judging, it makes sense for each side to act as they do, but these congress hearings were a farce wi…

Two decades ago, the Chinese military was actively raiding Nortel's IP directly from their servers. Regardless of when and what the US government is doing, Huawei and ZTE's tech is built off of rampant state-sponsored IP theft and shouldn't be used and can't be trusted.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-milita...

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Post by rossdavidh »

huntertwo wrote: post #51
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

Many people have faced serious legal consequences for not answering questions from Congress, for example related to Jan. 6 riot. You do have the right to avoid testifying against yourself, so often Congress has to grant immunity from prosecution, in order to remove this legally justifiable excuse for not answering questions. I remember in the Iran/contra scandal, Congress was asked not to do this so that some of the people involved could be prosecuted, but chose to proceed for various reasons best known to themselves.

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ZoomerCretin wrote: post #59
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

I wonder how many countries treat American telecom equipment the same way due to NSA involvement.

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Post by dilyevsky »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #59
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

I wonder how many countries treat American telecom equipment the same way due to NSA involvement.

What american telecom equipment? ;)

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Post by GoatOfAplomb »

chitowneats wrote: post #111
galdosdi wrote: post #92

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> Does it not impinge on their rights to fair choice? What are you talking about. You just made up a legal right that has never existed. Try going and opening up a restaurant in any city in america without submitting to any health department inspection. You will get shut down. There is no such universal right under US law to "fair choice" when buying goods, whatever that might mean. There are millions of pages of law…

Don't waste too much energy on the sock puppet. This person has less understanding of the U.S. system than my 5th grader, yet is commenting very confidently all over this thread. Account is 20 days old.

That's the quandary with sock puppets, though. The comment is written well enough to withstand a quick skim, and if no one rebuts it, it may convince some skimmers.

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

k_paleologos wrote: post #61
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Is government involvement problematic? Many firms have government involvement, often in an under the table manner. For example Airbus. Government involvement is in itself no grounds for banning a company.

Like United Fruits (now Chiquita) with CIA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Fruit_Company

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Post by bagels »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #144

Why are the stakes so high? Well, research "integrated communications and sensing" to find out. IEEE is pushing this paradigm shift. The radio hardware isn't just being used for communications between active devices anymore. It'll be useable for passive and biometric sensing applications, including but not limited to passive localization and identification of people without phones. Next generation wireless standards…

Which standard? Where can we read about how these standards are designed to facilitate biometric sensing?

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by throwaway4good »

ABeeSea wrote: post #172
throwaway4good wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First I don't really think your premise is correct and second we are capable of keeping our networks secure even if a cable or a base station is made by a Chinese company.

Why do you think the premise is incorrect?

I worked in tele for a couple of years; the reason Huawei and ZTE got ahead in 5G was that they invested heavily at time when Nokia and Ericsson were focused on cutting cost.
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