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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by bitexploder »

usui wrote: post #39

Every article I’ve ever read that cites “national security concerns” never, ever explicitly goes into the exact, computational mechanism in which it is a security concern. It’s always something like “Chinese company under Chinese government, therefore bad”. Never anything concrete or substantive from a software engineer POV, such as what exactly is phoned-home, or what actual subversions are happening currently, only…

Would this help shape policy in some way or are you just curious as a technologist? I don’t really need to know, as a long time infosec practitioner I have a fertile imagination for the shenanigans they could be up to.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

googlryas wrote: post #29
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #24

"National security" has been increasingly been used over the last 5 years as a justification for measures that are actually much more broadly geopolitical in nature. A private individual using a Huawei phone or router isn't a national security threat to the US. However, in a broader sense, the US government sees the technological development of China as a threat to American strategic dominance, and has been taking ev…

Why would this be considered souring the relationship, when it is child's play compared to the restrictions put on Americans selling in China?

Apple is the #1 smartphone brand in China.

American companies are much more active in the Chinese market than vice-versa. If China starts reacting in kind, a lot of American companies will be in for a world of hurt.

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Post by Kukumber »

rgbrenner wrote: post #20
Kukumber wrote: post #4

What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? Should their customers retaliate? "we can do it, you can't" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-use...

Your article is about a program to: "provide[s] F-35 international partners the capability to review and block messages to prevent sovereign data loss" and by adding this program, it will save our partners millions of dollars because they wont need to do this work themselves (which they knew they needed to do because the ALIS program was part of the plane and disclosed in its specs when they bought it). I feel like y…

No, it's the proper article that talks about its capabilities, it's food for thought, the "official" line, to avoid any conflict of interest when you develop your opinion, otherwise i am taxed as "conspiracy theorist"

And that's just for the future ones, and it only covers the front end, i let you imagine what other systems are over there, including what's int their auto-pilot system

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Post by skorpeon87 »

usui wrote: post #39

Every article I’ve ever read that cites “national security concerns” never, ever explicitly goes into the exact, computational mechanism in which it is a security concern. It’s always something like “Chinese company under Chinese government, therefore bad”. Never anything concrete or substantive from a software engineer POV, such as what exactly is phoned-home, or what actual subversions are happening currently, only…

It's national security, what do you expect? Even if specifics are known and they're not operating under a general precautionary principle (maybe they are, but so what?), the specifics would be classified, not broadcast to the public. That's just the nature of national security concerns. Everything gets overclassified.

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Post by skorpeon87 »

ranger47 wrote: post #23
tosh wrote: post #16

Can anyone familiar with the topic ELI5 this? Does this mean you can't use (buy? (sell?)) ZTE or Huawei modems in the US going forward? Or is this just a restriction re US govt related entities?

ELI5: The US and China are not very good friends, but Chinese goods still get sold to US markets. China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected, since this is routinely denied by the companies and the Chinese gov't. Some of those companies make computers that can watch and listen to us, whether we ask them to or not. The US is no longer comfortable with that arrangement. Of course, i…

> China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected

Not merely suspected, it's a matter of Chinese law that the Party is represented in any company large enough for them to take notice of.

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Post by anon291 »

Kukumber wrote: post #4

What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? Should their customers retaliate? "we can do it, you can't" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-use...

As an American, I call that stupid on behalf of Europe. Doesn't mean I want my country making the same mistake with China.

If you're a European, I would support parties that cared about your own national interests, instead of kowtowing to America. However I am an American, so I can't change Europe.

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Post by sschueller »

rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Sounds like what Twitter will be facing in the EU but for quite different reasons. No one left to deal with the regulators.

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Post by anon291 »

kadoban wrote: post #34
iso1631 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of people on HN arguing against sanctioning Russia for invading a sovereign state, they believe that the west should just turn a blind eye to it. It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

That's a common stance in right-leaning circles, unfortunately.

Letting Europeans deal with Europe was the stance for all of American history until WWII.

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Post by andsoitis »

iso1631 wrote: post #25
kadoban wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US can decide who its allies are, other countries can do the same for themselves. What are you even objecting to here?

There are a lot of people on HN arguing against sanctioning Russia for invading a sovereign state, they believe that the west should just turn a blind eye to it. It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

It’s actually much worse. People in western countries saying that Russia is in the right and that Putin’s government is to be trusted more.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

71a54xd wrote: post #13
Kukumber wrote: post #4

What it is called when the US sells weapons to European countries that are connected to the US network, share data and can only be activated by US officials? Should their customers retaliate? "we can do it, you can't" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/23052/foreign-f-35-use...

Exactly, why would you sell weapons to even an ally (who at some point could broker those weapons / IP to a near-pear adversary or grey area state) anywhere near as capable as your own? Obviously, when it comes to terrorist groups and broke eastern european nations the U.S. has made mistakes with this line of reasoning. Re: captured weapons in ukraine ending up on the black market...

This is why every country should develop its own industry, technology and weapons. Imagine the US or China just turning off your weapons remotely if you decide to cross them.
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