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Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by robaye »

SXX wrote: post #50
viraptor wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a bit more than flipping a switch with the anti cheat. Those are absurd systems which use every a bit of trickery on Windows to both detect any manipulation and hide themselves from being interfered with. They both load up as Windows drivers and check for things like enforced driver signature. Steam will need either perfect compatibility with everything they do, or EAC and others will need to cooperate to provid…

Basically Valve already partnered with anti-cheat developers and enabling their support on Linux is in fact just flipping of a switch. Unfortunately this switch need to be flipped by developers / publishers of particular game and they dont cooperate too well.

> Our team has been working with Epic on Easy Anti-Cheat + Proton support over the last few months, and we're happy to announce that adding Steam Deck support to your existing EAC games is now a simple process, and doesn't require updating game binaries, SDK versions, or integration of EOS. Alongside our BattlEye updates from last year, this means that the two largest anti-cheat services are now easily supported on Proton and Steam Deck

https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/31373...

> To make it easy for developers to ship their games across PC platforms, support for the Wine and Proton compatibility layers on Linux is included. Starting with the latest SDK release, developers can activate anti-cheat support for Linux via Wine or Proton with just a few clicks in the Epic Online Services Developer Portal.

https://dev.epicgames.com/en-US/news/epic-online-services-la...

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by musha68k »

terribleperson wrote: post #128
musha68k wrote: post #55

Due to Proton I feel like coming back to PC gaming after almost 20 years, great stewardship by Valve there. The last "rig" I built was for Doom 3 after which I'd never bothered with keeping a NTFS partition again. Apple silicon just doesn't seem to get to the levels needed for a state-of-the-art Cyberpunk 2077 experience even on pricier high-end Macs. I'm also still not willing to buy any "next-gen" consoles for the…

Go with wired networking or be careful about your choice of WiFi hardware. Some wireless chipsets have poor Linux support, but there are usually lists of good ones and bad ones. When it comes to graphics, AMD GPUs Vega or newer work incredibly well on Linux. NVidia has a fairly substantial lead in GPU performance, but they have poor Linux support and appear to be actively working to make their hardware a bad deal. Mo…

Thanks for the thorough answer, especially insightful with regards to CPU, chipsets and on the peripheral fronts.

To be honest I'm still aching for that realtime RT + DLSS fix without being dependent on GFN "PRO" all without having to go all retrograde to Microsoft world.

Not too interested in any RGB hardware luckily.

I'll play with PC Part Picker for a bit again :) now that I know that in general things seemingly should be expected to be much smoother even with the potential NVIDIA GPU choice on Linux...

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by fragmede »

klodolph wrote: post #157
giraffe_lady wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not be an emulator in a highly specific & technical sense used by and useful to a small group of experts. It is an emulator in the general and widely-recognized sense of "software that runs software originally intended for a different, incompatible system." You see this all the time when a jargon word enters the general non-specialist vocabulary. It doesn't make either usage wrong, though it can be confusing s…

Honestly I don’t even understand the narrow sense in which you could say WINE is not an emulator. There was supposedly a naming discussion in 1993 which resulted in “WINE is not an emulator”. Maybe this was to remind people that you still needed an x86 processor (WINE is not an x86 emulator), or maybe it was born from the idea that WINE does not emulate Windows—maybe it “provides a compatibility layer” or “reimplemen…

part of the 1993-ism is that emulators back then were sloooooow, so part of the branding was to say that wine isn't slow.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by zamalek »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #152
firecall wrote: post #124

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The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. My tweener kids will preference Steam over all other platforms. They would rather buy/re-buy, or pay more for a game on Steam than use another game launcher. Their are games that are free to play with Xbox game pass, but they would rather buy and play them under Steam. They have negative views on Epic, Ubisoft and so on. Blizzard/Battle.net aren't even…

> The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. They've certainly come a long way. I remember when they first tied the release of CounterStrike to installing Steam (CS 1.6, 2002), and that was not received well. Online auth was spotty. People were not happy about having this extra software hogging their memory. But Valve steadily improved it, and made a worthwhile value proposition. It's worth com…

> At a macro level, why couldn't they repeat Valve's success?

Because they lack the simple business mantra. Everyone is trying to copy Valve's monetary success without considering the good will expense.

GoG garnered a lot of good will by being DRM-free, which accounts for its mediocre success. Epic? They introduced exclusives to PC and, let me tell you, that shit doesn't fly with the PC gamer culture - Epic is where people go for Fortnite and free games. Microsoft Store? No mods, no interest. Ubisoft? Great if you like Denuvo.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by gkhartman »

trelane wrote: post #92
gkhartman wrote: post #76

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Will desktop excel actually run smoothly on this? It's been ages since I've tried, but I didn't have much luck in the past. I'd really love to ditch my windows machine, but my employer makes use of excel plugins that only run on the desktop version.

Looks like it's changed a lot. It looks like it was good until about 2010, then it stopped working. Might also be why they apparently renamed it to "Crossover" from "Crossover Office." Guess I'm really out of date here. :) Wait, maybe I was looking at _Mac_ compatibility. It looks like 365 runs decently on Linux. They have a site you can check compatibility at: https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/micr…

Thanks for the update! I'll give the free trial a shot when I get some free time.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by musha68k »

esturk wrote: post #165
musha68k wrote: post #55

Due to Proton I feel like coming back to PC gaming after almost 20 years, great stewardship by Valve there. The last "rig" I built was for Doom 3 after which I'd never bothered with keeping a NTFS partition again. Apple silicon just doesn't seem to get to the levels needed for a state-of-the-art Cyberpunk 2077 experience even on pricier high-end Macs. I'm also still not willing to buy any "next-gen" consoles for the…

You can get a SteamDeck which could double as a desktop PC with a dock.

I pondered the SteamDeck before and it's definitely cool (big Proton push!) but I personally prefer the OLED Switch or my Apple silicon Mac for lighter mobile use cases (indie games, text heavy RPGs).

I don't think the SteamDeck runs Cyberpunk 2077 with anything even close to real-time RT at 1440p @ 40fps minimum?

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

t00 wrote: post #178
firecall wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. My tweener kids will preference Steam over all other platforms. They would rather buy/re-buy, or pay more for a game on Steam than use another game launcher. Their are games that are free to play with Xbox game pass, but they would rather buy and play them under Steam. They have negative views on Epic, Ubisoft and so on. Blizzard/Battle.net aren't even…

The only potential contender for me would be GOG but their Linux support discourages any steps towards it. Steam all the way for now!

I loved GoG idea, but their resistance to steam deck and linux just lost me.

I play everything on the Deck now, so they literally lost me as a customer.

Which makes me angry, because I find insane that my 1000 games Steam library is fully locked when i'm playing one game, but we are 4 now...

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by largepeepee »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #145
firecall wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Steam brand and mindshare is second to none in my experience. My tweener kids will preference Steam over all other platforms. They would rather buy/re-buy, or pay more for a game on Steam than use another game launcher. Their are games that are free to play with Xbox game pass, but they would rather buy and play them under Steam. They have negative views on Epic, Ubisoft and so on. Blizzard/Battle.net aren't even…

> Their are games that are free to play with Xbox game pass, but they would rather buy and play them under Steam. Why though?

My friend on steam are far larger than Xbox and with mult screens you can multi task while gaming.

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by musha68k »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #96
musha68k wrote: post #55

Due to Proton I feel like coming back to PC gaming after almost 20 years, great stewardship by Valve there. The last "rig" I built was for Doom 3 after which I'd never bothered with keeping a NTFS partition again. Apple silicon just doesn't seem to get to the levels needed for a state-of-the-art Cyberpunk 2077 experience even on pricier high-end Macs. I'm also still not willing to buy any "next-gen" consoles for the…

My current experience on alder lake + Nvidia 30 series isn't quite a smooth enough experience to move my non-technical fiancee over, but it's close enough that I've considered it. The AMD drivers are mainlined and they've gotten a lot better about stability than where they were a couple years ago. Valve has done a lot of compatibility testing/fixes for the steamdeck as well. The Nvidia drivers are also pretty stable…

Thanks for answering.

> My current experience on alder lake + Nvidia 30 series isn't quite a smooth enough experience to move my non-technical fiancee over, but it's close enough that I've considered it.

So you are considering it because stability with Nvidia 30* would still be good enough for you in light of a gaming use case?

Re: Valve Introduces Proton Next

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Post by depressedpanda »

musha68k wrote: post #55

Due to Proton I feel like coming back to PC gaming after almost 20 years, great stewardship by Valve there. The last "rig" I built was for Doom 3 after which I'd never bothered with keeping a NTFS partition again. Apple silicon just doesn't seem to get to the levels needed for a state-of-the-art Cyberpunk 2077 experience even on pricier high-end Macs. I'm also still not willing to buy any "next-gen" consoles for the…

I switched from an Nvidia card a couple of years ago as I got fed up with the crashes and general instability it caused on my system. Running an AMD card was such a breath of fresh air in comparison that I would never recommend Nvidia for anyone wanting to run Linux.

It's a pity you want to do ML though, as I suppose that complicates your decision process. Nvidia "works", but be prepared that a system update might break stuff for you.

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