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Post by legitster »

lumenwrites wrote: post #219
legitster wrote: post #38

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> 7+ hours to spare It only takes this long if you don't use a round timer and you don't allow shared victories. Even with new players we usually wrap up the game in 4-5 hours (people will start getting eliminated around hour 2 - so usually we have a "loser room" with other games and stuff to do). You can also do it online with a turn a day (I ran an office Diplomacy League this way). It's worth noting that you can p…

Are there games similar to Diplomacy that you can play in 1-1.5 hours, over discord video chat?

There are a lot of negotiation/tactical games (Game of Thrones board game comes to mind), but they all can be equally long and none have the simplicity of Diplomacy.

IMHO, the fun of Diplomacy is sneaking in little side conversations and hiding in a corner to tell a secret. In person, it's very fun. A better approximation online would be to play asynchronously (like a turn a day) via a website.

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Post by SonOfLilit »

gcanyon wrote: post #222
SonOfLilit wrote: post #202

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We happened to talk about this at the Go club this evening. The strong chess players more or less agreed with you about the chess predictions, and the dan level Go players say AIs today can give the best pros definitely a 3 stone handicap (tried and tested), probably 4 or more, and perfect play is a few stones more (unclear how many, but probably not many, so not 9 stones altogether)

Thanks -- what Go club? I figured 9 was too much, but I had no idea what number less than 9 to pick, so I stuck with what I thought was a near-certain upper limit. I once played with 9 stones against a dan level player. It was close...until it wasn't :-)

I attend the Ramat Gan Go Club, but there are Go clubs everywhere around the world, and they tend to be in the same places HN commenters live, go figure. See e.g. https://www.usgo.org/where-play-go

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Post by dibt »

naasking wrote: post #278
dibt wrote: post #173

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> I once lived in a world where I could have confidence that I wasn't being fundamentally deceived by literal dei ex machina. What difference does it make that it's a computer doing it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influen...

For any or all of the following reasons: 1. Because humans have an understood limit on intelligence. 2. Because we have systems in place to keep humans in check. 3. Because humans have a distinct physical location and thus stricter limits on their direct and indirect influence. 4. Because humans can't copy themselves.

None of this addresses the quote in parent comment. My point is the distinction is irrelevant. People deceive people all the time. There's no consolation in knowing that a scammer was human, or frustration that they were AI. Either way, you were scammed.

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Post by naasking »

dibt wrote: post #283
naasking wrote: post #278

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For any or all of the following reasons: 1. Because humans have an understood limit on intelligence. 2. Because we have systems in place to keep humans in check. 3. Because humans have a distinct physical location and thus stricter limits on their direct and indirect influence. 4. Because humans can't copy themselves.

None of this addresses the quote in parent comment. My point is the distinction is irrelevant. People deceive people all the time. There's no consolation in knowing that a scammer was human, or frustration that they were AI. Either way, you were scammed.

Yes there is, because the breadth of the deception differs, as does the recourse. If you were defrauded you can sue or have the police investigate and people could be jailed. What's the recourse for AI?

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Post by svnt »

wolverine876 wrote: post #251
svnt wrote: post #158

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I think what you’ve identified is a societal immune response to predictable morality being systematically exploited by amoral actors to gain wealth and standing. I also think there is a big gap between what most people advise and what they ultimately do that biases toward the right thing. That is, people indicate they will not be moral in order to dissuade others who might try to exploit it, but in the end they gener…

> I also think there is a big gap between what most people advise and what they ultimately do that biases toward the right thing. That is, people indicate they will not be moral in order to dissuade others who might try to exploit it, but in the end they generally behave morally. That is very interesting. Have you seen any research on it? > while repeatedly leaving myself open to being taken advantage of. It almost n…

> That is very interesting. Have you seen any research on it?

The relevant area of research I’m familiar with is around dishonest signals (and then costly signals) in evolutionary theory.

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Post by mach1ne »

naasking wrote: post #277
mach1ne wrote: post #265

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I don't think it's a question of incremental progress, with AGI behind some ghost line. I think the current progress is, despite all the excitement, actually orthogonal to true AGI development. We're developing ever more sophisticated narrow AI, not even taking baby steps to proper true AI. I believe that the progress to the latter would be evidenced by the development of artificial intelligence first with animal cap…

> We're developing ever more sophisticated narrow AI, not even taking baby steps to proper true AI. I'm fairly certain you cannot rigourously define "proper true AI", and I'm also fairly certain you don't mechanistically understand how humans think. This raises the question: where does your confidence that our current path is not pretty close to "proper true AI" and/or how humans think come from?

The only intelligence with human capabilities is, so far, human intelligence. We can see how nature incrementally improved 'the algorithm' when we look at other animals, from simpler ones to primates. We don't see the capabilities of even lower animals in modern deep learning based networks. We know these networks don't match in neural function what we see in biology. Whether deep learning will lead to the North Star of human intelligence is guesswork, and guesswork rarely works well with complex systems.

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Post by mach1ne »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #270
mach1ne wrote: post #265

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I don't think it's a question of incremental progress, with AGI behind some ghost line. I think the current progress is, despite all the excitement, actually orthogonal to true AGI development. We're developing ever more sophisticated narrow AI, not even taking baby steps to proper true AI. I believe that the progress to the latter would be evidenced by the development of artificial intelligence first with animal cap…

> But I could be wrong - perhaps our current navigation of the problem space will reveal some strange pathway to true AI. Most likely wrong if you compare to how most other development in engineering happened. From my point of view, the most likely path towards some form of weakly general intelligence at this point is emergence. We keep working on these narrow problems and from the broadening networks at some point w…

What engineering development are you referring to? Do you have any examples?

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Post by bee_rider »

squeaky-clean wrote: post #214
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Is all really fair? Would it be OK to install a virus on a player’s computer to see their screen for example?

Well not anymore that we have a no screen sharing rule in place, but before that yes it would be. It would have to be a virus you made and not something actively malicious in other ways. And you'd want to build in some detection that they're running Civ 6, as stealing their credit cards or spying on their private browsing would be unrelated to civ and crossing a real line. They could just as well do that to me. Unspo…

Interesting. I don’t think I’d enjoy that. It seems like it would give an advantage to people who would are most willing to push the boundaries of what exactly is considered fair play. I prefer a vigorous competition with obvious in/out of game boundaries. But, of course, that’s just me. I’m certainly not here to tell you and your friends not to enjoy things!

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Post by narrator »

SonOfLilit wrote: post #212
SonOfLilit wrote: post #208

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Turns out I have access! Here is an answer by text-davinci-002: There are a lot of factors that go into choosing a database, but the two most important are: 1) How well does the database scale? 2) How easy is it to use? Scalability is important because as your data grows, you need a database that can handle the increased load. If your database can't scale, you'll eventually hit a wall and your application will grind…

I modified the prompt a bit to try and get a less blogspammy result: This comment by user tptacek received hundreds of upvotes on hacker news and is notorious for having persuaded the CTOs of at least five unicorns to choose Oracle over competing relational and NoSQL databases. It is lauded as a pinnacle of technical argumentation for its combination of technical arguments with anecdotes from personal experience buil…

Part 2 is convince me not to buy it. This is the future.

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

mach1ne wrote: post #287
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #270

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> But I could be wrong - perhaps our current navigation of the problem space will reveal some strange pathway to true AI. Most likely wrong if you compare to how most other development in engineering happened. From my point of view, the most likely path towards some form of weakly general intelligence at this point is emergence. We keep working on these narrow problems and from the broadening networks at some point w…

What engineering development are you referring to? Do you have any examples?

Engines, planes, PVs. They all gradually became better in a way which doesn’t really map to the organic function they augment, replace or take inspiration from.

Planes don’t fly like birds. There is very little reason for what you would call a “general intelligence” ai to develop in a way which mimics our own intelligence. It might but I would find that more notable that if it did not.

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