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Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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Most developers just don't like writing docs, are too busy to write them, and aren't very good writers anyway. So even on those rare occasions when they do actually document something, the documentation tends to be pretty bare-bones and not very readable. Good technical writers are worth their weight in gold.

Having worked with software engineers for the last 10years I can confirm, most don’t like documentation. At least 80% dont

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Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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My current employer was sold to me as a "high documentation" place. What it means in practice is that if you're trying to do something there are 5 outdated documents describing the decision making process for how the project was run, and no documents about how to actually use the resulting software. Occasionally if you ask how to actually do a task in Slack someone will yell at you that you should have searched for a…

What many dont realize is that documentation is tech debt. You can spend a lot of time and write a lot of documentation and have to also spend time updating it. I have worked with teams that focus so much time on design docs and insist that everything has to be documented. Pace of work is slow. Documentation and designs became obsolete due to shutting down of services, change in architecture, refactors. The best form…

> The best form of documentation is code.

Documentation as code might be a good alternative path, using the same tools and processes as software development and embed documentation tasks into engineering workflows. More insights in https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2022/10/12/five-fast-facts-abo... how the GitLab technical writing team collaborates.

Note: GitLab team member here.

Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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My current employer was sold to me as a "high documentation" place. What it means in practice is that if you're trying to do something there are 5 outdated documents describing the decision making process for how the project was run, and no documents about how to actually use the resulting software. Occasionally if you ask how to actually do a task in Slack someone will yell at you that you should have searched for a…

I work in medical devices so we have to write a lot of docs. But they all disappear in document management systems where you can't find anything if you don't already know where it is. Are there no document management systems that are actually useful?

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Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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Moving to America from France, one of my biggest surprises was how poor the average engineer (person really, but engineers affect me directly at work) is at summarizing concepts clearly. I learned a little later that "summary" exercises are not a thing taught in school here, which surprised me. In France, "le résumé" is an exercise that they constantly drill into students (particularly technical ones), in which you t…

Anecdotally, as someone who got a Master's in English and had to TA and tutor writing at a college level, it's the schools/universities. English departments are being defunded because Business degrees and Engineering degrees make the schools more money and are seen as more "valuable". So most people with a non-liberal arts degree from the states can barely write above a high school level. But it's good enough.

Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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The real problem is the document quality. Most of time reading a low-quality document will waste plenty of time while talking or meeting is more efficient than reading a misleading document. The other problem is that is hard to keep the document ‘fresh’, and this will lead you in the wrong direction which is wasting time.

Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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Moving to America from France, one of my biggest surprises was how poor the average engineer (person really, but engineers affect me directly at work) is at summarizing concepts clearly. I learned a little later that "summary" exercises are not a thing taught in school here, which surprised me. In France, "le résumé" is an exercise that they constantly drill into students (particularly technical ones), in which you t…

We're taught to write book reports until about 6th grade and then we never revisit that skill again. :/

Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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> The last thing I want is to raise the friction for writing down documentation. A better solution might be that anyone can write the documentation, and there is a maintainer who constantly refactors the wiki to keep it legible. Makes sure the information is not duplicated, adds hyperlinks to things, etc.

Internal documentation is everyone's responsibility, not a "tech writer". External should be written by a professional, agree.

"Everyone's responsibility" sounds like an euphemism for "no one really cares". When people actually care about something, they hire an expert.

Why do you hire software developers, instead of making software development everyone's responsibility? Is that because most people suck at software development? Well, most people suck at writing documentation, too.

Re: High-documentation, low-meeting work culture

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My current employer was sold to me as a "high documentation" place. What it means in practice is that if you're trying to do something there are 5 outdated documents describing the decision making process for how the project was run, and no documents about how to actually use the resulting software. Occasionally if you ask how to actually do a task in Slack someone will yell at you that you should have searched for a…

I will say the obvious: documentation sucks because good writing is a highly skilled activity that takes a lot of energy for most people to do, AND because keeping it up to date takes a lot of time, no matter how good you are at it, AND because leaders of companies don't want to spend ANY money on tech writers. That's it. No mystery. (BTW, this would also be why company financial records would suck, if management dec…

Ironically, it is much easier for me to write good documentation if there are a couple of meetings scheduled around it. Having 3 joint sessions with at least another person is great, first to get the "bone structure" of the document, then to confirm that the "flesh sits right", and finally to resolve any unclarities that might be left.
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