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Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by creakingstairs »

Obsnold wrote: post #9

Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

> Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK?

Not quite but there is a fair bit of interest in UK culture to a point where there are “England fairs” in department stores and malls time to time.

That being said I’m also kinda sick of people using Japanese words instead of direct translation for some reason. Kaizen and Ikigai comes to mind.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by boomboomsubban »

Obsnold wrote: post #9

Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

For a start, take better pictures. Compare the linked article with the Wikipedia article for coppicing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing

In the Japanese photo, it looks like there are trees growing out of trees. In the UK, a dying bush is growing out of a stump.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by Foobar8568 »

fredestine wrote: post #45
Danieru wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you need to understand is how Paris is horrible in the exact ways Japanese cities are nice. Paris is dirt, aggressive, expensive, with horrible customer service. All things Japanese city has and would never think to include in a tourism pitch. Japanese Tourists expect Paris to be a Regular (Japanese) City + Romanticism. What they get has no romance, and a city even regular French people consider rude.

well its relative. for instance japanese parks are horrible. paris parks are a thing of beauty. the mayor is indeed contributing to make it a dirty agressive and expensive city by not fighting crime, mass tourism (she loves it. somehow she hates french people having cars but she is fine with rich tourists riding cabs in paris) and all the theft that is related to mass tourism... customer service is not at the level o…

She? Come on, Paris has always been like that.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by Laaas »

fredestine wrote: post #45
Danieru wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you need to understand is how Paris is horrible in the exact ways Japanese cities are nice. Paris is dirt, aggressive, expensive, with horrible customer service. All things Japanese city has and would never think to include in a tourism pitch. Japanese Tourists expect Paris to be a Regular (Japanese) City + Romanticism. What they get has no romance, and a city even regular French people consider rude.

well its relative. for instance japanese parks are horrible. paris parks are a thing of beauty. the mayor is indeed contributing to make it a dirty agressive and expensive city by not fighting crime, mass tourism (she loves it. somehow she hates french people having cars but she is fine with rich tourists riding cabs in paris) and all the theft that is related to mass tourism... customer service is not at the level o…

Since when are Japanese parks horrible? There are a several good parks in/around Tokyo.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

The ancient japanese governments restricted the peasants from destroying the allmende. No hunting with weapons, only traps. No chopping down trees. Its the only way a society on a island with limitations can thrive.

This is a hack to circumvent the no lumbering rule. As far as im aware, similar rules never were applied in europe, just all things chopped down, and then some state forrests and macchia.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by vanderZwan »

Everyone here is mentioning coppicing, so I suspect there will be some interest in the Low Tech Magazine articles on the subject:

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/coppicing/

And since we're talking about doing cool things with trees, I just wanted to mention that LTM has more interesting articles slightly "adjacent" to this topic, like this one about a half-forgotten technique for growing citrus trees in climates with freezing temperatures:

https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2020/04/fruit-trenches-culti...

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by [deleted] »

qikInNdOutReply wrote: post #55

The ancient japanese governments restricted the peasants from destroying the allmende. No hunting with weapons, only traps. No chopping down trees. Its the only way a society on a island with limitations can thrive. This is a hack to circumvent the no lumbering rule. As far as im aware, similar rules never were applied in europe, just all things chopped down, and then some state forrests and macchia.

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Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Post by rbanffy »

shusaku wrote: post #27
Obsnold wrote: post #9

Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

I think this is actually search engine optimization by a jewelry company. Of course if the end result of gaming the system is interesting content like this, I can’t complain.

Not saying this is not true, but… the rewards being on “interesting” rather than a faithful depiction of reality has given us things like the the Murdochs, Sinclair, and Fox News.
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