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Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

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Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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> The other reason the technique was developed was fashion. In the 14th century, a linear, stylized form of architecture known as sukiya-zukuri was extremely popular

I'm also fascinated by how Japan apparently had it's own Bauhaus period, some 600 years before the west did.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

Oh, indeed - and sometimes worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

> is a sense of extreme disappointment exhibited by some individuals when visiting Paris, who feel that the city was not what they had expected

> The syndrome is characterized by a number of psychiatric symptoms such as acute delusional states, hallucinations, feelings of persecution ... derealization, depersonalization, anxiety, and also psychosomatic manifestations such as dizziness, tachycardia, sweating, and others, such as vomiting

uhhh, what?? just from being disappointed in a place you're visiting? I had to double check the link to make sure it wasn't some satirical site.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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>This is an ancient method, developed in the 14th century Isn't it interesting, how most of the history of East Asia just has label "ancient" slapped onto it in pop-culture?

Japan went through a significant cultural upheaval during the Meiji restoration. So much of Japanese culture comes from the Meiji era up into the start of the Taisho era and as a result a lot of people treat everything prior to the Meiji restoration as "ancient times". Hell unlike most western culture, Japan didn't really get their current system for naming individuals and families until the 1870s. But as to why all…

> Hell unlike most western culture, Japan didn't really get their current system for naming individuals and families until the 1870s.

Interestingly enough I think the Scandinavian countries moved from a patronymic system around the same time. My hunch is that this is due to globalization of the era and increased international/interimperial interactions.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Coppicing, Hedge laying, Bocage, drystone walling, wattle-and-daub are all domestic comparable ancient crafts of Europe. The point being that probably only drystone walling is valued in a way comparable to the Japanese version of Coppicing, which really has been transformed into an artform. European coppices are cut close to the rootstock and cut down far younger for use as poles, for wood turning, for hedge laying.…

Thanks for the googling for rabbit holes.

The joinery in traditional Japanese construction is remarkably impressive in its craftsmanship. I've heard it was born from a combination of expensive and poor quality iron for nails (although the same could be said in European construction - hence the phrase, "dead as a door nail") and the desire to be able to relocate Shinto shrines without damage (which required joints that could sustain serious loads without nails or glue). The ingenuity of design, and craftsmanship in their manufacture is something to behold. You can stare at a joint, chiseled by someone hundreds of years ago from fine hardwood and appreciate the care and expertise put into it.

I wonder sometimes what we build that people look back on and will see the same quality of work.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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post #9

Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

Oh, indeed - and sometimes worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

> "But some of them end up in tears, swearing they’ll never come back."

How I feel when my favorite bakery in Paris is out of pain au chocolat.

I don't see it in the wiki article, but I wonder if this happens with other cities/locales? And surely this can't be something that only people from east asia feel?

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

I think this is actually search engine optimization by a jewelry company. Of course if the end result of gaming the system is interesting content like this, I can’t complain.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

>Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK?

Yes. If not coppicing, than a million other things. It's also not any different than seeing romanticized articles about distilleries in Scotland or Iberico ham or a million other things that we see targeting Americans. The US being so relatively young doesn't get romanticized passed-down-through-history articles written in Europe, but they get plenty about modern American exports like Hollywood, etc.

People like learning about things that are different and it's easy to draw eyes if you add a bit of mystique around a subject that people won't be particularly familiar with.

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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post #9

Does the Japanese government pay for or in some way support articles like this? Do people in Japan get articles about how amazing coppicing is in the UK? Articles like this about Japan make me feel a bit weird but I kind of wish we were better at fetishising our own produce and practices like we do with the Japanese.

Oh, indeed - and sometimes worse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

fyi. Paris syndrome is heavily disputed among scientist, because the causality was never proven and the original author has 'vanished' from the scene.

i.e. do mental people visit Paris or does Paris cause mental illness?

Re: Japanese have been producing wood for 700 years without cutting down trees

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> A similar technique is also used in other parts of the world, such as the UK, but under the name Coppice and Pollarding. While the technique is similar, it's not exactly the same, as daisugi only works with seedlings from a specific mutant cedar in a specific location in Kyoto. Dang, that's a shame.

That phrase got me confused: there are several other "species" of cultivated plants that are actually clones of a single mutant plant, most famously the Cavendish banana. But "seedlings" suggests that this mutant cedar can pass on the mutation when reproduced from seeds, not only through cloning? Actually, I suspect that the main reason why this is not doable at scale is the amount of manual labor involved - cutting off the offshoots without damaging the tree below sounds like quite a challenge...
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