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Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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1. Both the mindshare and marketshare of NFTs and similar garbage dwarfs any use of Filecoin. 2. Dropbox and Drive are cheaper and better. S3 is cheaper.

1. That's not really an argument. There is literally exabytes of data on Filecoin ( https://stats.filecoin.io/d/z6FtI92Zz/filecoin-chain-stats?o... ) 2. And gone if you stop paying.

> And gone if you stop paying.

Are Filecoin nodes all hosting files for free? I can put a terabyte of files on there and it'll never go away?

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Honestly...... 3.0 is actually dead on arrival thanks to the proliferation of "Web3" the brand damage is done and "3.0" should find a new name ASAP.

Imo Web 3.0 is Webtransport / Webassembly / WebGPU. But Web 2.0+ may be a more fitting name.

Wikipedia uses Semantic Web: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web

They really don't even distinguish between Web3/3.0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web3

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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I seriously do not see and never saw how "Web 3.0" is a follow up from web 1 and 2. The whole thing was a hijack by ponzi schemers or just another way to get someone to get their life savings into some crypto nonsense.

Paraphrasing this week's TWiT: Web 1.0 and 2.0 were created by engineers to solve problems. Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros to disguise their various scams as the next technology revolution.

That’s cynical at best. One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries.

Anyone here like using PayPal? What if instead you had the equivalent of cash that you could use on the internet?

Web3 is attempting to create an economy decoupled from existing currencies (fiat). Unlike a country seigniorage determined ahead of time, and is publicly visible for all to see.

If the idea of creating an internet native economy with its own currency and financial tools is not intellectually stimulating to you, then look elsewhere instead of completely hating on the space.

Yes there are scams; no that is not why the tech was created.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Web3 isn't one centralized entity that's either fake or true. It's a bunch of bullshit, mixed with many slick ideas. I believe in web3, but I also believe that art NFTs and crypto bros running grifter companies like MtGOX and FTX give it a bad rap. Luckily, the ecosystem is now big enough that you can avoid that crap pretty easily.

> Web3 isn't one centralized entity that's either fake or true. It’s not centralized, but the players are incredibly good at moving in lock step together. This is most obvious on Twitter, where one of the loudest crypto/web3 cheerleaders will introduce a new idea and within hours all of the other loudest crypto/web3 accounts are Tweeting some variation of the same thing. The whole industry isn’t centrally coordinated…

Herd behavior, very common in finance certainly. I guess because they can profit from momentum even when the market ends up going nowhere over the long term.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Exactly… NFT’s blah blah .. blockchain everything .. came off as like a sales pitch and never seemed to resonant as where the web was headed

Paying for things ONLINE with a crypto wallet is legitimately a far, far better experience than fumbling around with credit cards. A seamless on-ramp from a bank account to a crypto wallet will really change the way we pay for things online. I believe this on-ramp is coming with CBDCs. Edit: HN is hopelessly anti Wayne Gretzky when it comes to crypto :D Edit 2: I should have mentioned 'online'

>Paying for things with a crypto wallet is legitimately a far, far better experience than fumbling around with credit cards.

... and when you talk about "experience", what do you mean here? I doubt there's a much slicker payment experience than Apple Pay when a vendor supports that, and I'm also pretty sure that my disputing a transaction with Chase is better than an equivalent crypto experience.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Web2: you stop paying a cloud provider, your data is gone. Web3: you stop paying a network, your data stays online. Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave) or because people deem it interesting and pin it (IPFS) Seems like a fundamental improvement to me.

> Either because it's permanent by default (blockchain, blockweave)... https://coloradosun.com/2022/11/21/brush-eastern-colorado-se... > Two school administrators on Colorado’s Eastern Plains were accused of possessing child pornography when they investigated a school sexting case last April. No one said the men were trying to distribute the images or had bad intent. The girl in the photos and her parents begged poli…

Good god where has common sense in the police and justice system gone so far off the rails that this came to court and didn't get thrown out immediately?!

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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Paraphrasing this week's TWiT: Web 1.0 and 2.0 were created by engineers to solve problems. Web 3/3.0 was invented by finance bros to disguise their various scams as the next technology revolution.

That’s cynical at best. One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries. Anyone here like using PayPal? What if instead you had the equivalent of cash that you could use on the internet? Web3 is attempting to create an economy decoupled from existing currencies (fiat). Unlike a country seigniorage determined ahead of time, and is publicly visible for all to see. If the idea of cre…

> One of the goals of Web3 is to enable direct commerce without trusted intermediaries

That's the sales pitch, but the implementations all require basically anonymous, unaccountable intermediaries that are trusted.

Re: Web3 – An Arrogant and Treacherous Successor Doomed to Fail

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That's not a good enough critique of a new tech. Applicable once it has reached maturity, but Ethereum and EVM smart contracts are relatively very new. If they're still slow and expensive in 2025, Web3 will rightly deserve to be forgotten and abandoned.

Crypto's been around for over a decade dude. How many decades do you want? Why would I ever build a business around an Ethereum smart contract when I could just write a normal contract, and then I know the courts will enforce it even if one of my business associates tries to pull a fast one? If it's about the precise coding of constraints and all that, you can easily write a legal contract that specifies that the pie…

Crypto has been around for decades but most of the tech we now call "Web3" is very nascent. The ERC-721 standard used by most NFTs was first proposed in 2018, and didn't even reach technical maturity until 2019.

And yes, you can write normal contracts and get the courts to enforce it. But what if your customers are in India or Vietnam or Tibet? Under which jurisdiction will you attempt to enforce the contract?

The entire critique rests on the thesis that the world will always be the way it is - dominated by a handful of western (mostly American) corporations who will get to dictate what billions of people in the rest of the world consume, create, and share.

The reality is that the non-western part of the internet is already larger, will grow even larger, and it needs tools and products that are built for its scale and diversity. Whether that's Web3 or Web2 or Web2500, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that more and more countries will seek to yank back control from western corporations (like India making its own national mobile app store).

I, for one, will cheer on anything that challenges the FAANG oligopoly.

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Exactly… NFT’s blah blah .. blockchain everything .. came off as like a sales pitch and never seemed to resonant as where the web was headed

Paying for things ONLINE with a crypto wallet is legitimately a far, far better experience than fumbling around with credit cards. A seamless on-ramp from a bank account to a crypto wallet will really change the way we pay for things online. I believe this on-ramp is coming with CBDCs. Edit: HN is hopelessly anti Wayne Gretzky when it comes to crypto :D Edit 2: I should have mentioned 'online'

This is the standard US centric viewpoint driving this nonsense. Every other developed nation and a lot of lower developed nations solved this long enough ago that it's not even thought about.

I have to use my physical card maybe once every 2 months/once per quarter as an anti-fraud step. My phone contactless pays for everything, and anything it can't (like a car or whatever) I can do sub 2 hour but in practice instant bank to bank transfer.

Moving money instantly and without transaction costs is a decade plus ago solved problem

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