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>I use my Alexa all the time, but 99% of it is: Alexa, time! Alexa, set an alarm for 5 minutes! Alexa how many minutes left? Alexa, turn off/on all the lights! That's also why Siri is good enough even though it is destroyed in a trivia contest against Google or Amazon. Voice UI is very bad since you don't have a way to know what it can do reliably. Treating it as general artificial intelligence doesn't work because t…
> Ok Google lock the device >> I'm sorry I can't do that > Ok Google clear notifications >> Opens Bluetooth (!) > Ok Google WhatsApp call xyz >> I can't call with duo (!) yet > Ok Google restart phone >> To restart your phone
Amazon Alexa is on pace to lose $10B this year
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#242Still boggles my mind that people willingly put these kinds of devices in their homes.
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#243I never really understood the use case, despite people I know wildly effusing the benefits. I have a google smart speaker thing precisely because it's the only device that I can integrate with my Nest cameras and devices (which I bought before the Google acquisition). It does 2 things: 1) announce door bell ringing, and 2) play Apple Music in my office. For everything else Siri, whilst demonstrably behind the curve o…
This hasn't worked for me since iOS 13, I think, and macOS, too. Getting a "Sorry, can't help with that".
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#244Perhaps a silly question, but can somebody describe how they might lose $10 billion on Alexa in one year? I don't understand the math. That's enough to pay 33,000 employees $330k a year, or some recombination of such. I don't think the real numbers come even remotely close to that. So it presumably has to be hardware costs, but Alexa is software, and they have vertical integration of all servers which presumably woul…
But if you were accounting for the profit or loss of Alexa specifically, of course you would account for all the AWS services used at the price they are sold for externally.
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2020 - It took Amazon four years to populate the world with 100 million Alexa-powered devices. It took the company just one more year to more than double that number. The e-commerce titan announced Monday that there are now "hundreds of millions of Alexa-enabled devices" in customers' hands worldwide, a massive increase from the 100 million it announced last January. https://www.cnet.com/home/smart-home/amazon-sees-a…
The article says that the hardware was generally sold at cost, though.
Which doesn't include the overheads (engineering and staff, development and maintenance of back-end services, legal and compliance and all the rest) that you would normally plan to cover with the gross profit on the device.
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I bet that’s at cost tbh. You’d be surprised how cheap things have gotten. However, r&d and every single Alexa request costs money. So from day one, it’s losing money.
How much are two hundred million microphones in earshot of private conversations worth?
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#247> Not many people want to trust an AI with spending their money or buying an item without seeing a picture or reading reviews. I wonder how much the decline in quality of Amazon's marketplace has affected other parts of the company's business including Alexa. I remember a time when, if I wanted to buy something online, I'd just buy off Amazon without shopping around. They almost always had the best price, their shipp…
I still buy from Amazon and almost never had issues. The delivery is max the following day, cheap, lots of variety, etc. It’s an open to all market, and there are certified channels and customers reviews. Big box stores dream to replicate that.
How is it certified if they are commingling inventory?
Re: Amazon Alexa is on pace to lose $10B this year
#248Perhaps a silly question, but can somebody describe how they might lose $10 billion on Alexa in one year? I don't understand the math. That's enough to pay 33,000 employees $330k a year, or some recombination of such. I don't think the real numbers come even remotely close to that. So it presumably has to be hardware costs, but Alexa is software, and they have vertical integration of all servers which presumably woul…
Perhaps a silly question, but can somebody describe how they might lose $10 billion on Alexa in one year? Amazon seems to be a very poorly run company. So many issues with search, with spam, with listings, and here's another data point... Just bought a laptop. Waited until it was on sale, after doing Linux compatible research. It shows up. 3 days later, it is even more on sale. This is a product sold and shipped by a…
Although you returned the laptop, the annoying process might have discouraged many others from doing so. The shipping cost and the cost of processing the return are likely much smaller than you expect when accounted for on Amazon's scale. And by making you return and re-order, they are putting the risk on you if the laptop is not the identical product, rather than taking on the costs of administering a price drop refund themselves.
Of all the things that Amazon do, analysing the game theory of customer behavior so that they can do as well as possible out of interactions like this seems like one of their biggest strengths. They certainly have thousands of skilled people working on it.
As for return scams, I would not take what they say at face value. My opinion is that they have quite sophisticated models for analysing returns, both for detection (to distinguish between the behavior professional scammers and regular customers) and economically (to decide that it's cheaper to give the latter the benefit of the doubt, let them keep returned items, etc). The only flaw is if otherwise legitimate customers start to think they can get away with falsely returning 1 in 20 items or whatever. So they 'blather on' about return scams, not because they are material to their business, but to make it clear that if you cross an invisible line, they will go from not caring about your $120 air fryer that you ended up with two of, to pursuing serious legal and criminal consequences.
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#249I was really excited about Alexa at first, but when I tried it on a day to day basis the biggest issue I had was "Amazon knows too little about me, compared to Google". I know right ! How horrible is that.
But consider, Alexa didn't know what i like to listen to music wise, didn't know my favourite tech topics or news websites. It had almost zero history on, even though I have bought probably about 20 books in the last 10 years and from Amazon.
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#250I use my Alexa all the time, but 99% of it is: Alexa, time! Alexa, set an alarm for 5 minutes! Alexa how many minutes left? Alexa, turn off/on all the lights! That’s basically it. I wrote some apps for it a long time ago to do custom stuff like read me some Reddit pages, but the SDK changed or something and eventually they just died and it wasn’t obvious to me how to recreate it/not worth the effort. I really wish th…
People want voice control because they see it in movies and TV. But what they forget that the only reason movies and TV have it in the first place is because that way the audience hears what the character wants! It's not because it's actually a better interface - because it's not! Same with glass interfaces with no buttons - they make them because they are cheaper, not because it's better. But they look really cool,…
> Same with glass interfaces with no buttons - they make them because they are cheaper, not because it's better.
But are you saying current smartphones are somehow worse than button phones? I'll pass on that. And they ain't cheaper too :)