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European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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As far as accounts go you really don’t have a choice on HN, because eventually you’ll get flagged enough to get throttled/suspended and eventually banned for being too controversial, not following groupthink, etc. Between Theranos and pandemic we’ve got a good corpus of what that looks like, and I don’t have 3-4 years to get my commentary vindicated by the same paid news actors that are causing this shit to begin wit…

There's plenty of people here with accounts older than a decade. I think this is a "you" problem.

I have such an account. But HN requires burner accounts all the same.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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post #57

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There's plenty of people here with accounts older than a decade. I think this is a "you" problem.

I have such an account. But HN requires burner accounts all the same.

> But HN requires burner accounts all the same.

No, it really doesn’t. They are a poor substitute for self-awareness.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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post #57

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There's plenty of people here with accounts older than a decade. I think this is a "you" problem.

I have such an account. But HN requires burner accounts all the same.

It brings me much joy to know that I've never had to deal with this sort of thing.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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It's interesting that the good fight for LGBTQ+ is given up as soon as there is a place with actual LGBTQ+ repression and powerful resistance. What then is this signalling for?

It's interesting that the good fight for LGBTQ+ is given up as soon as it threatens revenue.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".

That is exactly freedom of expression. The first amendment protects against government action, which it did in both cases. What it does not and cannot do is force other people to continue doing business with someone, as that would violate their own rights to free expression. It's shocking how common this misconception is recently. To maintain our democracy citizens need to understand and care about civics. If we reac…

I don't think it's so shocking as it is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

> What it does not and cannot do is force other people to continue doing business with someone, as that would violate their own rights to free expression.

If I fire someone after they change their religion to one I disagree with, would I be free from legal consequence?

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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I have such an account. But HN requires burner accounts all the same.

> But HN requires burner accounts all the same. No, it really doesn’t. They are a poor substitute for self-awareness.

It does. It would be nice if controversial statements, said in good faith, were not downvoted and flagged, but thats not a reality on HN.

Much easier to make burners, say what’s on one’s mind, and move on.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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And neither of them were imprisoned, beaten or detained for exercising those expressions. Nor did either have a fear of those things happening to them. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights declares: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media an…

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121322520/a-black-protester-...

I really don't understand what your URL is meant to convey and you don't provide any detail yourself. Per the ACLU:

>"WHAT DOES FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ACTUALLY MEAN?"

>"The First Amendment guarantees our right to free expression and free association, which means that the government does not have the right to forbid us from saying what we like and writing what we like; we can form clubs and organizations, and take part in demonstrations and rallies." [1]

However the The First Amendment has limits, it does not cover what's classified as "true threats."[2][3] And of course context matters. In this case Brittany Martin was standing chest to chest with a police officer in extremely tense situation and exclaimed:

“Y’all want war, y’all got it,” “We’re ready to die for this,” and “You better be ready to die for the blue. I’m ready to die for the Black” [4]

Do you believe had if she been in the middle of the crowd or in an empty parking lot exclaiming the same with a megaphone she would have been arrested? And while I don't agree with the outcome of any of this, she did in fact have a jury trial. It was a jury that found her guilty. A jury of eight men, five being white and the other three being Black, and six women, five of whom where Black and one white.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/other/your-right-free-expression

[2] https://mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1025/true-threats

[3] https://www.aclumich.org/en/cases/true-threats-case

[4] https://www.theitem.com/classifieds/stories/jury-finds-sumte...

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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> But HN requires burner accounts all the same. No, it really doesn’t. They are a poor substitute for self-awareness.

It does. It would be nice if controversial statements, said in good faith, were not downvoted and flagged, but thats not a reality on HN. Much easier to make burners, say what’s on one’s mind, and move on.

So you're not afraid of making controversial statements, but you're afraid to have them attached to your handle?

It sounds like you're a coward, honestly.

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