It's interesting that the good fight for LGBTQ+ is given up as soon as there is a place with actual LGBTQ+ repression and powerful resistance. What then is this signalling for?
the people shooting up gay night clubs?
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#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".
And neither of them were imprisoned, beaten or detained for exercising those expressions. Nor did either have a fear of those things happening to them. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights declares: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media an…
Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup
#53Here in the US, we have freedom of expression. Unfortunately, most countries (including European countries) don't.
Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".
My understanding is that Kaepernick wasn't even that great of a player and wouldn't have had much of a career regardless of the kneeling. Maybe another season at most so he didn't really lose anything. He also didn't even want to play, he said the NFL players were slaves... Unless he wanted to be a slave?
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference being that in the US you don't have to fear prosecution for most things you'd get prosecuted for in, say, Quatar. You might get cancelled on Twitter but you don't end up in jail or get killed at least.
You do get jailed, though, for talking to the authorities in a way they don't like. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121322520/a-black-protester-...
Totally there are cases like that but let's not pretend it's as bad as in many other countries. Cases like this also consistently make the news in NA and Europe.
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#55Maybe I just need anti-depressants, but how does everyone else just carry on with the absurd hypocrisy in the world? Elon says he's going to tweak Twitter moderation from "ban" to "don't spread, but don't delete" for problematic posts. Reaction: American corporations publicly proclaim they're leaving the platform and cutting their advertisement budgets. Qatar builds stadiums using slave labor, sends rape victims to j…
I don't know. It seems the plot has been lost and all the good intentions are just sound and fury, signifying nothing. And maybe it's just that: billions of apes, mindlessly imitating each other.
Normally people flag such a post. Because they can’t handle the truth when it becomes as naked as it gets.
I was flagged for calling people sheep the other day. Apes, sheep, don’t know whats better.
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#56It's interesting that the good fight for LGBTQ+ is given up as soon as there is a place with actual LGBTQ+ repression and powerful resistance. What then is this signalling for?
the people shooting up gay night clubs?
In the case of the recent gay club shooting in Colorado Springs, wasn't the shooter a gay "incel" man himself?
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I find it mildly concerning that fresh accounts with on here seem to be pushing alt-right conspiracy stuff. My take on Douglas Murray: he didn't understand Foucault, got mad about it, and decided Foucault is an evil Marxist. It kind of rhymes with Jordan Peterson's sentiments about the boogeyman of postmodernism.
As far as accounts go you really don’t have a choice on HN, because eventually you’ll get flagged enough to get throttled/suspended and eventually banned for being too controversial, not following groupthink, etc. Between Theranos and pandemic we’ve got a good corpus of what that looks like, and I don’t have 3-4 years to get my commentary vindicated by the same paid news actors that are causing this shit to begin wit…
There's plenty of people here with accounts older than a decade. I think this is a "you" problem.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do get jailed, though, for talking to the authorities in a way they don't like. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121322520/a-black-protester-...
Totally there are cases like that but let's not pretend it's as bad as in many other countries. Cases like this also consistently make the news in NA and Europe.
How fast we went from "Best and unique in the world" to "let's not pretend it's as bad as in many other countries" ...
Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find it mildly concerning that fresh accounts with on here seem to be pushing alt-right conspiracy stuff. My take on Douglas Murray: he didn't understand Foucault, got mad about it, and decided Foucault is an evil Marxist. It kind of rhymes with Jordan Peterson's sentiments about the boogeyman of postmodernism.
I don't find categorizing something as "alt-right conspiracy stuff" is a serious rebuttal. Since you've complained about the fresh accounts perhaps you should also consider reading through the comments guidelines yourself (your comment is easily violating the top 6): https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I added some context on why he's a hack, which is plenty interesting.
I do genuinely believe he didn't understand the work of Foucault.
I also do genuinely believe he's personal friends with the prime minister of Hungary which should tell you everything you need to know about his politics.
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#60Screw FIFA and organised sport in general. Hate the suits, love the game.