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European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by 1attice »

floor2 wrote: post #39

Maybe I just need anti-depressants, but how does everyone else just carry on with the absurd hypocrisy in the world? Elon says he's going to tweak Twitter moderation from "ban" to "don't spread, but don't delete" for problematic posts. Reaction: American corporations publicly proclaim they're leaving the platform and cutting their advertisement budgets. Qatar builds stadiums using slave labor, sends rape victims to j…

Elon did quite a bit more than that.

And I'm afraid there's no pill for being alive during a collapse, but here you are, and the party's just getting going.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by nells »

barbazoo wrote: post #28
BizyDev wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".

The difference being that in the US you don't have to fear prosecution for most things you'd get prosecuted for in, say, Quatar. You might get cancelled on Twitter but you don't end up in jail or get killed at least.

Exactly. In countries of Europe denying the Holocaust occurred can get you fined or even land you in jail. Americans should appreciate what they have.

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by pannSun »

everybodyknows wrote: post #36
skyyler wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it mildly concerning that fresh accounts with on here seem to be pushing alt-right conspiracy stuff. My take on Douglas Murray: he didn't understand Foucault, got mad about it, and decided Foucault is an evil Marxist. It kind of rhymes with Jordan Peterson's sentiments about the boogeyman of postmodernism.

My take on Douglas Murray, based on first paragraph of the Introduction of The War on the West : ... a cultural war, and it is being waged remorselessly ... The man doesn't know the difference between "remorseless" and "relentless".

Why do you believe "remorseless" can't be used there? You are certain that Douglas Murray thinks the attackers in this alleged war are showing remorse?

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by sharken »

It would be interesting to see the diplomatic efforts if players from one of the teams would go out drinking in public.

I guess we now see the true colors of FIFA, not withstanding the FIFA president who feels like a gay person.

Would be interesting to see him actually carry that out in public in Qatar.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/19/fifa-gianni...

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by luckylion »

floor2 wrote: post #39

Maybe I just need anti-depressants, but how does everyone else just carry on with the absurd hypocrisy in the world? Elon says he's going to tweak Twitter moderation from "ban" to "don't spread, but don't delete" for problematic posts. Reaction: American corporations publicly proclaim they're leaving the platform and cutting their advertisement budgets. Qatar builds stadiums using slave labor, sends rape victims to j…

Public messaging is performative. Very few people actually care, and those who do are not getting airtime, so you wouldn't hear from them.

It's like a soap opera. You don't get mad at characters in soaps doing stupid things to create drama, because that drama is the reason they exist. Media largely works the same way, and you should treat it accordingly. Don't get upset, just don't watch soaps if you don't like drama.

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Post by zosima »

floor2 wrote: post #39

Maybe I just need anti-depressants, but how does everyone else just carry on with the absurd hypocrisy in the world? Elon says he's going to tweak Twitter moderation from "ban" to "don't spread, but don't delete" for problematic posts. Reaction: American corporations publicly proclaim they're leaving the platform and cutting their advertisement budgets. Qatar builds stadiums using slave labor, sends rape victims to j…

I don't know. It seems the plot has been lost and all the good intentions are just sound and fury, signifying nothing.

And maybe it's just that: billions of apes, mindlessly imitating each other.

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Post by athrow »

skyyler wrote: post #30
athrow wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

I find it mildly concerning that fresh accounts with on here seem to be pushing alt-right conspiracy stuff. My take on Douglas Murray: he didn't understand Foucault, got mad about it, and decided Foucault is an evil Marxist. It kind of rhymes with Jordan Peterson's sentiments about the boogeyman of postmodernism.

I don't find categorizing something as "alt-right conspiracy stuff" is a serious rebuttal. Since you've complained about the fresh accounts perhaps you should also consider reading through the comments guidelines yourself (your comment is easily violating the top 6): https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by vannevar »

rospaya wrote: post #33

Mostly because FIFA threatened with in-game actions (yellow card) and not fines or other penalties. Players would be punished by making the game easier to lose, which would give ther opponents an unfair advantage. Disgusting behvarior by one of the most corrupted orgs around.

I wonder if every player came out with armbands, would they give them all yellow cards? Would they disqualify entire teams?

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by bogomipz »

BizyDev wrote: post #22
csdvrx wrote: post #6

Here in the US, we have freedom of expression. Unfortunately, most countries (including European countries) don't.

Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".

And neither of them were imprisoned, beaten or detained for exercising those expressions. Nor did either have a fear of those things happening to them. Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights declares:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

Both men are still free to to express themselves as they see fit.

You seem to be conflating two different issues. Freedom of expression although closely linked to freedom of association is distinct from it. Freedom of association is the right to form and join clubs, societies, trade unions or political parties with anyone you choose. In your two examples both of those individuals chose to join professional sports clubs as contract employees. As such they were beholden to whatever codes of conduct their employers set forth, the same as any job. Contrast this to Kanye West who was also recently shoveling a bunch anti-semitic garbage. Kanye works for himself and so was not beholden to an association's code of conduct.

By the way the net result of Kyrie Irving's "problems" were an 8 game suspension. He's back playing as of yesterday. And just to put in perspective how different Kapernick and Irving situations are, four years ago Kyrie Irving was pushing "flat earth" nonsense.[1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/movies/kyrie-irving-nba-c...

Re: European teams ditch pro-LGBTQ+ armbands at Qatar World Cup

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Post by nautilius »

barbazoo wrote: post #28
BizyDev wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Colin Kaepernick's NFL career has been destroyed just because he kneeled during an anthem. More recently, Kyrie Irving had a lot of problems "just" because he shared a controversial documentary available on Amazon. That's not what I would call "freedom of expression".

The difference being that in the US you don't have to fear prosecution for most things you'd get prosecuted for in, say, Quatar. You might get cancelled on Twitter but you don't end up in jail or get killed at least.

You do get jailed, though, for talking to the authorities in a way they don't like.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/06/1121322520/a-black-protester-...

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