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How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by sokoloff »

silisili wrote: post #25
sokoloff wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you know what the DNS request is "supposed to return", you can't know that just getting any DNS response indicates that you have full Internet connectivity.

They control the record contents just as they would some text in a file on some server, and could be checked in a similar manner.

Sorry, you were imagining the use of a TXT record (I assume) and that would work better than an A record inquiry that I was considering.

It still wouldn’t find http filtering, but it would work better than I initially gave it credit. (I still doubt it would give a contextually correct answer for an airplane wifi connection [where DNS May very well work but few other services do if not paid].)

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by Kwpolska »

fulafel wrote: post #107
bigmattystyles wrote: post #98

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And to my parents that will mean nothing

But they still unknowingly suffer from the harm it did to network effects and ability to deploy new types of internet apps.

I do not want my home computer to be exposed to the Internet. I do not want your fancy new Internet apps, the existing ones with explicit user-initiated connectivity are more than enough for 99% of people.

And even if you somehow have a non-NAT, non-CGNAT, no-ISP-filtering home connection, do you have full Internet access if the server behind NowhereNews.com refuses all your connections because you’re in Europe?

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by Kwpolska »

intelVISA wrote: post #111
mymyairduster wrote: post #109

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It's crazy, everyone else is just letting M$ control the narriative and falling for it. Micro$oft is trying to define what is and is not 'internet' access, eg. they turn the definition of 'internet' to mean unfettered access to the micro$oft servers is and you're ability to send personal information over to them.

Internet access is when your machine can exfiltrate data to Redmond, CA.

Yeah, right.

The Redmond you’re thinking of is in Washington, BTW.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by tveyben »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #152
tveyben wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope - see my previous answer in this thread ;-)

That works on Win10, but not Win11, afaik.

Have not yet played with Win11, I must try that that one day and find out…

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by loevborg »

bombcar wrote: post #104
woodruffw wrote: post #44

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I believe they hit http://captive.apple.com now (and that's what I use).

They use more than that, I've seen it on the wire (to prevent DNS caching I believe). http://neverssl.com also works And https://1.1.1.1 breaks people's brains if they know enough

I like

http://uz

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by database64128 »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #169
cm2187 wrote: post #115

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And MS accounts make zero sense to anyone who has a private NAS or need to interact with anything non windows with kerberos.

It's worse than that. The account it creates is somehow "special". I have not yet figured out a way to connect to a computer with an MS account via RDP (yes, RDP is on and allowed through the firewall, the user is a local admin (the default)). Ditto for accessing that PC's shares.

You have to delete the PIN it forced you to create during OOBE. This forces the system to apply your MSA's password to the actual account. Without this step, the account has no password. You can still recreate the PIN afterwards and it won't delete the password.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by rightbyte »

Why do I get the feeling Raymond is the only human at Microsoft? Does he have some kind of special deal to be able to be one?

Writing all these cozie Windows trivia blog posts. That I like.

Why is he not smashed by some manager? Could everyone else do this if they liked?

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by rightbyte »

brirec wrote: post #133
albertopv wrote: post #127

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Windows experience is worse and worse. On my Windows 10 company provided PC I found games installed remotely. In a professional PC! A friend of mine found Spotify installed [1]. That's insane. [1] https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/09/28/spotify-app-is-auto...

I’m not saying it makes it okay, but the “Professional for Workstations” edition does not have any sort of sponsored start menu items or auto-installs.

My enterprise install had Candy crush pop up in the start menu. I thought I had installed a virus, but realized it was Windows itself.
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