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How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by rnd0 »

unnah wrote: post #120
josephcsible wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What explanation other than malice is there for Microsoft not giving you that button all the time?

It was becoming common knowledge that you could disconnect your machine from networks during installation to use Windows with a local account (i.e. the normal kind of user account that people have used for decades). Microsoft wants people to register online during installation and to use the online account on all their computers, in order to increase the market share of the Windows app store and other Microsoft onlin…

> So it's not malicious, Microsoft is just implementing their strategy to create more monetization opportunities.

So it's not malicious -it's just malicious.

Gotcha!

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by Tempest1981 »

tveyben wrote: post #139
banana_giraffe wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also currently the only way to bypass the need for an MS account when setting up a new PC.

Nope - see my previous answer in this thread ;-)

That works on Win10, but not Win11, afaik.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by gruturo »

unnah wrote: post #120
josephcsible wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What explanation other than malice is there for Microsoft not giving you that button all the time?

It was becoming common knowledge that you could disconnect your machine from networks during installation to use Windows with a local account (i.e. the normal kind of user account that people have used for decades). Microsoft wants people to register online during installation and to use the online account on all their computers, in order to increase the market share of the Windows app store and other Microsoft onlin…

> So it's not malicious

Ahem. You literally just described a very clear-cut, textbook example of malicious. Yes it is absolutely malicious.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by mkup »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #39

Two things I’ve always wanted to do is figure out how to cache windows updates on my local network without an enterprise windows install, and how to block windows updates by sinkholing domains and/or ip addresses (I work in IT security). Can anyone give any tips on either of these?

Set up SOCKS5 proxy (e.g. github.com/rofl0r/microsocks) on the nearest router and configure router's firewall to drop all outgoing packets whose TTL is near 128 (Windows). Then configure FoxyProxy in Firefox or Chrome to use your SOCKS5 proxy. Windows will think it's offline, browser and other apps which are aware of your proxy will work fine.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by [deleted] »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #76
lxe wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. The full instructions can be found online but in general, When you get to that step, press Shift + F10 to bring up the terminal, then type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" and press enter. The installer will restart but this time will have a "I don't have Internet" button that you can use to bypass this nonsense.

This is also currently the only way to bypass the need for an MS account when setting up a new PC.

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Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by justsomehnguy »

picture wrote: post #117
qwertywert_ wrote: post #58

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Can't you disable NCSI in registry? Or does that not actually help for those other services internally?

If you do so, which I have tried, it will just show permanently no internet

You configured it wrong - Not Jobs

I had my share of troubles with it, but most of the times I found a way to force it work as I need.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by mirko22 »

gruturo wrote: post #153
unnah wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was becoming common knowledge that you could disconnect your machine from networks during installation to use Windows with a local account (i.e. the normal kind of user account that people have used for decades). Microsoft wants people to register online during installation and to use the online account on all their computers, in order to increase the market share of the Windows app store and other Microsoft onlin…

> So it's not malicious Ahem. You literally just described a very clear-cut, textbook example of malicious. Yes it is absolutely malicious.

Yeah, I love how much hate people gave to Microsoft about browser monopoly but this is somehow fine :)

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by justsomehnguy »

gambiting wrote: post #128
unnah wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was becoming common knowledge that you could disconnect your machine from networks during installation to use Windows with a local account (i.e. the normal kind of user account that people have used for decades). Microsoft wants people to register online during installation and to use the online account on all their computers, in order to increase the market share of the Windows app store and other Microsoft onlin…

I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. The OS can create a local account but doesn't give you that option specifically to make you create a windows Live account. That is almost textbook definition of malicious for me.

Ten years ago you needed iTunes to enable your iPhone/iPad.

Sure there are probably was a way to skip most of the requirements (except iTunes itself) but around that time I helped a friend to activate an iPad.

I was forced to register an Apple account AND give it a credit card to activate that iPad.

You can blame MS all you want, but MS IS LATE FOR THE PARTY WITH ALL THAT SHIT.

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by ilyt »

gambiting wrote: post #128
unnah wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was becoming common knowledge that you could disconnect your machine from networks during installation to use Windows with a local account (i.e. the normal kind of user account that people have used for decades). Microsoft wants people to register online during installation and to use the online account on all their computers, in order to increase the market share of the Windows app store and other Microsoft onlin…

I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. The OS can create a local account but doesn't give you that option specifically to make you create a windows Live account. That is almost textbook definition of malicious for me.

> I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious.

Welcome to microsoft ecosystem

Re: How does Windows decide whether your computer has full Internet access?

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Post by lzooz »

saagarjha wrote: post #61

Why does Microsoft always seem to pick domain names that are indistinguishable from phishing scams?

Because it's easier for a particular department to buy a domain than it is to tell whomever manages the microsoft.com domain to create a subdomain.
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