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Post by bdcravens »

ebiester wrote: post #390
bdcravens wrote: post #220

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I'd consider staff in those areas core to the product. Many of the dozens of projects at https://opensource.twitter.dev/projects/ , not so much. Staff whose job revolves around standing at booths at conferences and handing out swag, ditto.

How many of those are active? How many of those were created for the purposes of twitter infrastructure and released as a side effect? I'm sure that you can stop supporting the open source section. However, how much of their platform team is core to the product? How much is still required?

I'm sure many of those projects are out of date. Either way, they could probably make them all private for their purposes and stop accepting PRs (probably just turn them lose on the greater OSS community for those that still rely on them)

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Post by d0mine »

lancesells wrote: post #317
impalallama wrote: post #241

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The people who worked on SpaceX and Tesla were probably incredibly ideologically aligned with Elon genuinely believing they were changing the world for the better. Its really easy to pitch someone to work long hours when you are making one of the worlds first mass market electric car and honest to god rocket ships. Meanwhile we are a years into total disenfranchisement with entire concept of social media. The sell ju…

An addicted twitter toll with 100m followers starts talking shit about the place you work, purchases a lot of shares, decides to join the board, decides to not join the board, talks more shit, decides to just buy the company, changes his mind and backs out of the deal, talks more shit, changes his mind and buys the company, introduces new features without much thought, releases new features without much thought, turn…

It is representative of how he is shown on HN.

Judging by other things discussed on HN that I do understand well, it is likely highly inaccurate picture.

It reminds me of Knoll’s law of media accuracy: “everything you read in the newspapers is absolutely true, except for the rare story of which you happen to have firsthand knowledge” and especially The Gell-Mann amnesia effect https://effectiviology.com/knolls-law/#The_Gell-Mann_amnesia...

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by d0mine »

themitigating wrote: post #53
hackandtrip wrote: post #34

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There is no way a person in his position has any time for focus. CEOs of big companies (especially in case they manage multiple companies!) usually act as firefighters and mainly mentors to top-management. They need to be able to quickly jump between calls, board meetings, press, Q&A, in matter of minutes. Something very similar is also written in Cal Newport's Deep Work book, where Jack Dorsey's typical day is outli…

Amphetamine addiction can cause impulsive behavior and allow a person to work abnormal hours

Cocaine addict may be behind long hours for medical doctors: "Fledgling residents had to suffer long, consecutive work shifts, day and night. To Halsted, sleep was a dispensable luxury that detracted from the ability to work and learn. Halsted’s mentality was difficult to argue with, since he himself practiced what he preached, being renowned for a seemingly superhuman ability to stay awake for apparently days on end without any fatigue. Only after Halsted’s death did a secret come to light that explained the maniacal structure of his residency program and his ability to forgo sleep. Halsted was a cocaine addict" https://medicaljustice.com/a-century-of-brutal-call-schedule...

Re: Twitter in chaos as employees accept Musk’s invitation to quit their jobs

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Post by cafard »

hintymad wrote: post #310
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

Elon's internal memos read as if Twitter engineers were below his standards. I don't doubt that there are some truths in it, but there are also many great engineers who want to build great stuff, who make progress despite the infighting culture of Twitter, and who have built pretty scalable and autonomous systems in the past years. They may feel dignified by Elon's policies and memos, for good or for bad, and then ch…

What most of us want out of a payroll system is accuracy. I would be deeply alarmed if I found out the payroll department at my employer was putting in 80 hour weeks to get the checks out.

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Post by eternalban »

sschueller wrote: post #65
JohnTHaller wrote: post #19

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About $2billion is owned by the Saudi prince with a penchant for murdering journalists. So... maybe?

And immunity as we just learned in another HN post.

You and the OP have got the wrong prince.

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/public/images/2014/09/03/alw...

https://www.businessinsider.com/prince-alwaleed-supports-dor...

This prince ran afoul of the prince you are thinking off and spent some time in a hotel in KSA pondering what is more important: his health or his money. And let history record he was sensibly more concerned with his health.

https://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/prince-alwaleed-finally-rel...

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Post by systemvoltage »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #416
systemvoltage wrote: post #403

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I know how crooked some of the Republicans are and some of the conspiracy shit that's going around. But, it's not like Democrats are clean, this is what is cooking in the progressive circles, especially in colleges and academia: https://twitter.com/LPofDelaware/status/1583078489430798336 What would be helpful is if you try to, with good faith, head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They wil…

>head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They will welcome progressives and disagreeing views This is absolutely untrue. I generally do not engage in political discussion on hackernews so politics entirely aside, from a reddit content moderation standpoint this is just a falsehood. It is one of the most tightly moderated subreddits on the website and users are banned rapidly and constantly f…

> absolute fabrication

So you're accusing me of making it up? malice? I am just stating what I've experienced for over a year of browsing and participating on r/conservative.

Instead of trusting me or you, I'll just leave the link here for people to decide: https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative

And to add to the accusation, I've found the opposite on Reddit and HN. Stating conservative opinions are not welcomed at all. It's not even slightly off. The situation is completely lop-sided.

Next time you accuse some of "absolute fabrication", consider the best interpretation of their experience.

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Post by shagie »

grogenaut wrote: post #169
rem7 wrote: post #109

In my opinion Elon miscalculated the type of people at Twitter. These aren’t people like the ones in Tesla or SpaceX where there is some sort of idealization of Elon. The number of fan boys he has at Twitter must be super low. None of the Twitter employees signed up to work for him, it’s pretty obvious from the public tweets that most of the staff has posted that they don’t have much respect for him. On top of that,…

There's also no clarity on what the upside is "stock like spacex and tesla"... rockets are Long on investing and the future. Twitter isn't even close to on that time horizon. If I was asked to stay to build 2.0 I'd want to know what the plan was and how my equity compensation was going to work in real terms. Especially since months prior I would get equity and could sell it in immediate compensation and now I'm back…

The "down to base" would be a significant shock based on what levels.fyi has for them - https://www.levels.fyi/companies/twitter/salaries/software-e...

Taking an $80k/year pay cut for a SWEII ($70k stock, $10k bonus - I'm assuming no bonuses for a while) is, well, that's a lot.

With no future stock or the ability to sell it... and there are certainly other places that pay at least as much as Twitter's base alone, there are options out there.

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Post by systemvoltage »

Apocryphon wrote: post #417
systemvoltage wrote: post #405

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John Carmack on hard work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJitSreSL78 I can't see this going well on HN if he said the same thing, verbatim, but posted it as an anonymous comment.

That's because unlike anonymous commenters like you and I, he has actually substantiated his beliefs.

I really don't think that's the case here. Most beliefs that align with "hard work" is often touted as "Fascism". That's what we're dealing with here.

I've been searching for last few years, I read HN every day and haven't found anyone pro-hard work and celebrating perseverence.

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Post by systemvoltage »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #327
systemvoltage wrote: post #161

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Why are billionaires immoral? That seems completely backwards. They created value not by coercion, but by commerce and improved the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 The whole pie has gotten larger since the industrial revolution and has lifted people out of poverty at an unprecendented rate through Capitalism. The current zeitgeist in places like HN and in progressive circles is worrying. There was…

I am pro capitalism and I don't think that the creation of value by billionaires is immoral. The immoral part comes after that when they sit on their horde of money, far too much for anyone to spend in 10 lifetimes, while they should be giving it to people and causes that need it. The only one of the "mainstream", household name billionaires that gets it seems to be MacKenzie Scott.

Their wealth is not sitting in cash and they are not "hording it". They built the company through free enterprise and their wealth is in the very thing that they built from scratch.

This is just elementary misunderstanding of "billionaires".

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Post by shagie »

deeblering4 wrote: post #286
partiallypro wrote: post #227

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While true, engineers ae SpaceX are much much harder to replace that web devs/engineers at Twitter, which are a dime a dozen. With so many in the Valley cutting jobs, if Twitter needs to hire new engineers, I don't think they'll have issues finding them.

And by "a dime" I mean "a significant total comp package"

... that is going to lack meaningful stock and bonuses... or work life balance for a while.
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