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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by blitzar »

nomel wrote: post #200
root_axis wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's very reasonable but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Elon openly attacked twitter for its moderation policies and made a public spectacle about big tech censorship and styled himself as "free speech absolutist" in his own words. Now that Elon's own money is on the line he's completely done a 180 and is using the exact same reasoning to defend his moderation policies as did his detract…

> but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Wasn't the status quo to ban accounts completely, due to individual tweets, rather than hide individual tweets? This seems much much more permissive.

The status quo - to ban accounts completely, due to repeated violations combined with refusal to remove violating content.

More permissive perhaps, but not by much, and Trump remains banned - so bans remain a part of the toolkit.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by triceratops »

commandlinefan wrote: post #65
paxys wrote: post #48

I have lost count of the number of caveats that have been applied daily to his “free speech absolutism”. Any bets on how soon he will permanently ban folks like AOC and Elizabeth Warren under some new “policy”?

> ban folks like AOC and Elizabeth Warren If he does, look for the exact same people who defended Twitter bans a year ago to suddenly become "free speech absolutists" (for a while...)

Nope. Private property, owner makes the rules, it is his right. But in this case, I will criticize those decisions and say they are bad. Go free speech!

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by [deleted] »

KerrAvon wrote: post #188
danans wrote: post #170

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Look at the history of banned accounts [1] You don't need polynomial regression to figure out that nobody was being banned for traditional, non-hate and non-violence-inducing conservative or liberal speech. It's mostly harassment, threats, impersonation and disinformation. Nobody has been banned for advocating: lower taxes, higher taxes, cuts to government spending, increased government spending, abortion rights, ant…

There is a joke, I don't know the origin: Conservative: I'm being silenced for my opinions! Me: lowering taxes? C: no, not that opinion M: smaller government? C: no, not that one M: which opinions? C: oh, you know the ones...

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Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by blitzar »

recuter wrote: post #190
thefaux wrote: post #177

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> That raises the question of what are the "dividends" for those parties, regardless of the financial success of Twitter. My guess is that they see twitter as the central online hub of anti-capitalist ideology, which is also correlated with marginalized identity politics. If the bankers could nip that growing movement in the bud before it fully coalesces into something with real political power, then that would seem…

Exactly! Jerry, all these big companies, they write off everything!

You don't even know what a write-off is.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by heavyset_go »

nomel wrote: post #200
root_axis wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it's very reasonable but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Elon openly attacked twitter for its moderation policies and made a public spectacle about big tech censorship and styled himself as "free speech absolutist" in his own words. Now that Elon's own money is on the line he's completely done a 180 and is using the exact same reasoning to defend his moderation policies as did his detract…

> but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Wasn't the status quo to ban accounts completely, due to individual tweets, rather than hide individual tweets? This seems much much more permissive.

I don't know about the past, but what you're describing is the current status quo[1].

[1] https://i.redd.it/5hgt89c599y91.jpg

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by nomel »

blitzar wrote: post #231
nomel wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it's also the status quo prior to Elon buying twitter. Wasn't the status quo to ban accounts completely, due to individual tweets, rather than hide individual tweets? This seems much much more permissive.

The status quo - to ban accounts completely, due to repeated violations combined with refusal to remove violating content. More permissive perhaps, but not by much, and Trump remains banned - so bans remain a part of the toolkit.

> More permissive perhaps, but not by much

I don't understand this perspective. The Babylon Bee was banned for misgendering someone. It looks like they would not be banned under the new policy. That is an extreme difference.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by heavyset_go »

nomel wrote: post #227
root_axis wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter has historically utilized a wide range of moderation strategies including deranking, post removals, fact checking blurbs, temporary bans, permanent bans and more.

It appears that three of these that you listed, which are the most silencing, will no longer be used (assuming legal content): post removals, temporary bans, permanent bans. I don't understand how the new policy is "status quo", if this is true. That's a very significant change of policy.

> It appears that three of these that you listed, which are the most silencing, will no longer be used (assuming legal content): post removals, temporary bans, permanent bans.

This is not the case given that Twitter has removed posts[1] and banned accounts that were critical of Musk[2].

[1] https://external-preview.redd.it/LvQhCbGd3mXlAjyj0GktvQaAJ_3...

[2] https://i.redd.it/5hgt89c599y91.jpg

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by phphphphp »

EMM_386 wrote: post #209
phphphphp wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That analogy doesn’t really fit with the model of Twitter. If we are using the town/time square example, what Elon is describing is the digital version of putting a noise-cancelling box around the people saying “bad” things so that nobody can hear them. A message spreads on Twitter because individuals on Twitter amplify it (with engagement, retweets etc.) which is itself a form of speech: if you say something bad, an…

> If we are using the town/time square example, what Elon is describing is the digital version of putting a noise-cancelling box around the people saying “bad” things so that nobody can hear them. I'd equate it more to people in Nebraska can't hear the guy yelling in Times Square, nor should they. If people like this guy and want to hear him, they can go to Nebraska and listen to him (follow on Twitter). If he does s…

That’s how Twitter works already — that’s how the “filter bubble” concept is able to exist, you’re only exposed to things in your self-selected bubble.

What Elon is describing (as I understand it based on the limited information provided) is restricting reach within your network, i.e: you tweet something bad, the tweet won’t show up on your followers feed.

Re: “Negative/hate tweets will be max deboosted and demonetized”

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Post by hsn915 »

aquova wrote: post #153

There's some interesting discussion in this thread about whether this is the right or wrong move for Twitter. However, after the debacle last night, I think it's a moot point, I simply don't see twitter.com still running within the next few months, possibly within the next few weeks. He's fired 50% of the company, reports seem that conservatively 50% of the remainder just quit yesterday, their subscription service ha…

This is delusional.

When you have a big tech company with thousands of employees, the pareto principle comes into play in a huge way: proably only 10% of these people are actually doing any work that directly impacts the platform.

At least half the employees are probably not doing anything really useful. This applies even to tech companies with a mere 100 total employees. At 3000 employees it's probably even more so. Specially with the majority "working from home".

There are probably only about 10 key engineers who understand at a deep level how things are working.

On the other hand, Musk is bootstrapping a hardcode engineering culture where a lot of the platform can be implemented from scratch in a few weeks by top engineers if he can hire them, and I'm pretty sure he can.

His "Fork in the road" email is actually brilliant, many just don't realize it. He is good at making engineers a "high status class"; see this analysis by Samo Burja: https://samoburja.com/how-elon-musk-is-making-engineers-cool...

There are many top teir engineers who are eager to work for him.

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